Differences between Sunni and Shiite muslims?

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These questions are for our muslim brothers and sisters here at CAF, but anyone with knowledge can answer. Please no bashing of Islam religion. What are the main differences between these two branches of Islam (Sunni and Shiite)? Are there other types of muslims besides Sunni and Shiite? Why do the Sunni and Shiite muslins hate and kill each other in places like Iran?

Also, if you identify yourself as muslim, then what kind (Sunni, Shiite, etc.) are you?

Thank you.

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Sunni islam = followers of Abu Bakr, Aishas father. Aishaas was mohamads child bride @ the age of 6.

Shia islam = followers of Ali, husband of Fatima who was mohamads daughter.

Sunni islam is great in numbers

Shia islam is low in numbers

Then you have the Ahmadi, who have their own prophet as of about 200+ years ago.

And there are tons of other islam muslims who the Sunni consider as non-muslim,/kafir/kafur.
 
Sunni Muslims make up about 85% of Islam and Sh’ia about 14%, not counting groups seen as heretical like the Nation of Islam. Today, in post colonial times as Islam has a political resurgence the Sh’ia sit on top of Islam’s second greatest strategic asset after population, the oil. Even in Saudi Arabia with the fundamentalist Wahhabi Sunni sect in charge politically, especially of Mecca, the Shia sit on top of the oil in Arabia
 
I’ve written a long answer to this question in post 6 and onwards in THIS thread, for those interested in the topic.
 
Thanks for all replies so far. Kadaveri, thank you for the indepth reply on the other thread (posts 6-9). Now I see that the division is more political than theological between Sunni and Shiite.

Jean
 
Thanks for all replies so far. Kadaveri, thank you for the indepth reply on the other thread (posts 6-9). Now I see that the division is more political than theological between Sunni and Shiite.

Jean
Kadaveri has taken much trouble to explain the Shia / Sunni split. These two sects are opposong poles in Islam. Islam can never progress with these two opposing forces within it. Over the last 1400 years, new theories had been built up on the old slight differences.

It is true that the Shias are less in number compared to Sunnis. But they are increasing in numbers every where. The problem is that their theories do not match upto Quran. Each sect has its own bundle of Hadith. Even though the Shia theology is not in accordance with the teachings of Quran, they have tried to build up many new beliefs from the verses of the Quran, which beliefs the Sunnis do not agree to.

Their differences are mostly theological (religious). Many of The Shias beliefs are not right. But the present day Sunni beliefs are also way off from the right track. They are no better than the Shias. The belief of the Sunnis about Jihaad, the belief that all non-believers are Kafir, the belief that apostate must be killed, the belief that adulterer must be stoned to death, all these seem to be common to both sects and these beliefs are anti-Islamic.

There can be a similarity between the Sunnis and Shias and explained by the relation between Muslims and christians. While the Muslims love Jesus and Mary and consider them as high grade repectable persons. Jesus being the prophet of God. Yet the christians do not consider Muhammad as a pious person. Christians do not love Muhammad. Similarly, the Sunnis love Ali and Imam Hussain and the family of the prophet. But Shias abuse the 2 wives of the prophet. They abuse the first three Caliphs (i.e. the close companions of the prophet). So they (Shias) are happy that Sunnis are loving Ali and his children and they (Shias) do not have to love the close companions of the prophet. Even Shias are at liberty to abuse the friends of the prophet Muhammad.

The above is given only as an example for understanding the things. It is not intended to harm the beliefs of the christians here in any way.

There can be some compromise between the Shias and the Sunnis if the Shias stop hating and abusing the close companions of the prophet. The Shias have many sub-sets, each one is having different beliefs. There are some Shias (In Syria) who consider Ali as a god. They are called Alawis. There are other smaller Shia sects (peaceful type) spread all over the world such as Agha Khani and Bohris. But they may have differing beliefs and do not agree with mainline Shias.

Similarly, there are many Sunni sects, specially in India Pakistan sub continent. They are Called Deobandi and Brelvis. Deobandis are more like Protestants. Brelvis may be likened to Catholics in islam. They all oppose each other.

Then there are Wahhabis called ahle-Hadith. They are much in number in Sauidi Arabia and other Arab countries. They are the tough type of people, however quite misled in many ways. I may remark that the biggest opponents of the Shiates are the Ahle Hadith and the Deobandis. The Brelvis do not oppose the Shias so much.
 
the Shia sit on top of the oil in Arabia
Although the oil fields are in the East side of SA where the majority of Shia lives, but they don’t hold key positions in the companies over there, Sunnis dominate the key positions all over SA.
 
Mostly Sunni muslims dont consider Shias as muslims, but when it comes to pilgrimage to makka, they are accepted.

I have seen sunni muslims make faces when it comes to shia, and even speak foul of them.
 
The Sunni Muslims who do not consider the Shia to be fellow Muslims are most likely to be Arabs… and so it is really a cultural thing since the rest of the world’s Sunni Muslims generally do NOT hold such a blanket opinion about the Shia not being Muslims.
 
The Sunni Muslims who do not consider the Shia to be fellow Muslims are most likely to be Arabs…
I disagree…
Saudis living in the east part of SA mostly Shia, Bahrain (the country) is mostly Shia, Lebanon (the country) has many Shia.

All those are Arabs and considered Muslims by their fellow Sunnis…
 
Sunni islam = followers of Abu Bakr, Aishas father. Aishaas was mohamads child bride @ the age of 6.

Shia islam = followers of Ali, husband of Fatima who was mohamads daughter.

Sunni islam is great in numbers

Shia islam is low in numbers

Then you have the Ahmadi, who have their own prophet as of about 200+ years ago.

And there are tons of other islam muslims who the Sunni consider as non-muslim,/kafir/kafur.
This is a horribly inaccurate post. I began to call it simplified, but it has been reduced to such an extent that it inaccurate.

After the death of Muhammad, Abu Bakr who was Muhammad’s dearest friend became the leader of the Muslims. Some of the Muslims preferred that Ali be elected but by majority vote Abu Bakr was made leader, and Ali even pledged allegiance to him.

Some time later Ali was also made the leader of the Muslims (after the deaths of Abu Bakr, Umar, And Uthman)–and the distinction of “Sunni” and “Shia” did not exist at the time. It’s something that only began to truly develop later on, even though the movement of Shi’a attempts to trace its inception to the preference of the Muslims to follow Abu Bakr.

But in fact “sunnis,” a shortened version of a name meaning the majority group of people who follow the way of Muhammad, followed both Abu Bakr and Ali, and respect them both.

Sunnis account for at least 85% of Muslims–many of whom won’t claim to be of any sect, but merely Muslim. And that is what a “Sunni” Muslim is. The next largest group is Shi’a, although there are many factions within Shi’a. And there are some even further divergent groups, whose adherence to the fold of Islam is questionable at best.

But allow me to stress again that at least 85% of Muslims are a part of the same “sect,” the “Sunnis.” An overwhelming majority, by anyone’s definition.

To answer another of the OP’s questions, why do Sunnis and Shi’as fight, in such places as Iran: in many places in the world, a majority will oppress the minority–be it a racial, cultural, or religious minority. And so it’s often the case that a religious minority in a country might be oppressed simply because they are the minority and are easily discriminated against. It has much less to do with what sect a person claims. In many countries, the Shi’a and Sunni will live side-by-side, and often not even know of their differences.

So rather than trying to examine Islam for some imagined problem (as some people might lead us to believe) the problem is just discrimination in general. It’s as wrong for a Christian to be persecuted as it is wrong for a Shia to be persecuted, and both you might find happening in a majority-Sunni country like Pakistan. And in Iran the situation is somewhat reversed, that the Sunnis are the minority. But in some countries Muslims are persecuted for being the minority, whether Sunni or Shi’a. It’s wrong everywhere, in Islam and as a simple matter of human decency.
 
This is a horribly inaccurate post. I began to call it simplified, but it has been reduced to such an extent that it inaccurate.

After the death of Muhammad, Abu Bakr who was Muhammad’s dearest friend became the leader of the Muslims. Some of the Muslims preferred that Ali be elected but by majority vote Abu Bakr was made leader, and Ali even pledged allegiance to him.

Some time later Ali was also made the leader of the Muslims (after the deaths of Abu Bakr, Umar, And Uthman)–and the distinction of “Sunni” and “Shia” did not exist at the time. It’s something that only began to truly develop later on, even though the movement of Shi’a attempts to trace its inception to the preference of the Muslims to follow Abu Bakr.

But in fact “sunnis,” a shortened version of a name meaning the majority group of people who follow the way of Muhammad, followed both Abu Bakr and Ali, and respect them both.
Well hello there Ms. Amy.

There is nothing wrong with my post regarding “inaccuracies”.

After the death of mohamad, Abu was voted into power and was only in charge for 2 years.

If you study islam history through the Bukhari hadiths, Ali did not side with Abu for his first 6 months and it was only after Ali’s wife Fatima died that Ali decided to join the band.
 
Well hello there Ms. Amy.

There is nothing wrong with my post regarding “inaccuracies”.

After the death of mohamad, Abu was voted into power and was only in charge for 2 years.

If you study islam history through the Bukhari hadiths, Ali did not side with Abu for his first 6 months and it was only after Ali’s wife Fatima died that Ali decided to join the band.
“Abu” is not a first name, I feel compelled to point out, but the beginning of a title. “Abu Bakr” is not a proper name, but rather a title. “Abu” is what a child might call his or her father in some cultures, and in the above context it means “father of.”

I’m not sure where you get this figure of 6 months–though I’m not sure it’s even relevance. Abu Bakr was “only in charge for 2 years” because of his death–due to natural causes. Upon his death he selected his successor. From what I can understand, Ali pledged allegiance to both Abu Bakr and his successor.

More to the point, the Muslims following Abu Bakr accounted for the jama’ah, not a “band.”
 
What are the differences of practice bewteen the two ?
Differences in practice have arisen over the centuries, including some observances for the Shi’a which are not based in the authentic sunnah (way) of Muhammad, to which Sunnis adhere. One example is the observance of the martyrdom of Imam Hussayn, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad. It’s like an intense yearly funeral celebration, with moaning and such, even though such behaviors were discouraged or even forbidden by Muhammad himself (saws.)

And there are other similarly minor differences in practices, and even a few doctrinal differences which have crept in over the centuries, and some which have fractured even the Shi’a unity–so you will find a variety of Shi’a sects.

But for the most part you couldn’t tell one Muslim from another by looking at them, or even watching them pray, unless you really knew what you were looking for.
 
“Abu” is not a first name, I feel compelled to point out, but the beginning of a title. “Abu Bakr” is not a proper name, but rather a title. “Abu” is what a child might call his or her father in some cultures, and in the above context it means “father of.”

I’m not sure where you get this figure of 6 months–though I’m not sure it’s even relevance. Abu Bakr was “only in charge for 2 years” because of his death–due to natural causes. Upon his death he selected his successor. From what I can understand, Ali pledged allegiance to both Abu Bakr and his successor.

More to the point, the Muslims following Abu Bakr accounted for the jama’ah, not a “band.”
**Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (Abdallah ibn Abi Quhafa) **

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr

You are mistaken if you think that I will write out this whole jiberish name every time I write about Abu Bakr
 
**Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (Abdallah ibn Abi Quhafa) **

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr

You are mistaken if you think that I will write out this whole jiberish name every time I write about Abu Bakr
Well that’s not very nice. How would you feel if someone called your name “jiberish?”

It’s sufficient to call him “Abu Bakr,” as most people do. “As-Siddiq” is also a title, and not a name. Abu Bakr is a nickname–“father of camels.” But calling him “Abu” is simply not sufficient. Nobody really calls him by his given name (Abdullah) or his father’s name (which is what’s indicated by “ibn Abi Quhafa.”)

You can write Abu Bakr and I wouldn’t say a word. I merely attempted to point out that saying simply “Abu” is not sufficient, as it is not a first name or name at all as is “Ali.” (Except for the name of a monkey in the movie Aladdin.) But the word “Abu” means father, so please understand why it’s not correct or useful to refer to Abu Bakr as “Abu.”
 
Well that’s not very nice. How would you feel if someone called your name “jiberish?”

It’s sufficient to call him “Abu Bakr,” as most people do. “As-Siddiq” is also a title, and not a name. Abu Bakr is a nickname–“father of camels.” But calling him “Abu” is simply not sufficient. Nobody really calls him by his given name (Abdullah) or his father’s name (which is what’s indicated by “ibn Abi Quhafa.”)

You can write Abu Bakr and I wouldn’t say a word. I merely attempted to point out that saying simply “Abu” is not sufficient, as it is not a first name or name at all as is “Ali.” (Except for the name of a monkey in the movie Aladdin.) But the word “Abu” means father, so please understand why it’s not correct or useful to refer to Abu Bakr as “Abu.”
For the Love of God…

Amy, my original answer post had “Abu Bakr” on it.

My second post just had “Abu”

You are nit-picking at nonsense.

If I were posting about Joseph Smith (Mormom), my following posts would refer to him as Joseph as NOT to type out the name continously.

OY VEY!!!
 
And you know what Amy, Arabic names & spelling don’t come easy to your average American <----- ME!!!
 
And yet we all learned something today. Good job, team.

Sister Amy, it’s good to see you back around these parts.
 
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