Differences between Tridentine and Modern Mass

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Just how different is the “modern” missal from the tridentine mass? Are there any major contrasts other than the language used?

Your Brother In Christ,

DeusExMachina
 
We are asked not to compare the two forms on this forum.

You will have to rephrase the question.
 
*Note I am asking about concrete differences ONLY, so PLEASE leave out any subjective opinions you have on these liturgies.
 
I think that the easiest thing would be for you to google “Order of Mass 1962 missal” and see for yourself.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Just how different is the “modern” missal from the tridentine mass? Are there any major contrasts other than the language used?

Your Brother In Christ,

DeusExMachina
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in an attempt to be helpful and hopefully not to be banned from this forum or have this thread disappear into the abyss…

I encourage you to check youtube out for examples of each mass or better yet, go in person and experience each one. That will be better than any attempt here at comparisons.🙂
 
Casilda said:
I encourage you to check youtube out for examples of each mass or better yet, go in person and experience each one. That will be better than any attempt here at comparisons.🙂
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I second what Casilda recommended; if you haven’t been to one or the other (EF or OF - not sure which based on your post) then YouTube videos of each liturgy are an easy way to see both.

Here are some other sites that may be helpful, including links to the current GIRM, the 1962 missal, and the rubrics of the 1962 mass. These sites don’t compare, they just give information on each form individually for you to be able explore them yourself.

Current GIRM from USCCB.org

1962 missal text online

Sancta Missa’s Rubrics of the 1962 missal

If you haven’t attended the EF and would like to find a parish near you, there is a Latin mass directory at ecclesiadei.org.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Music selections are certainly different.
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Depending on where one attends the OF, not really. Our abbey still uses all the chants from the Graduale Romanum for their OF Mass, every day. The same chants as in the Vatican addition of 1908 but arranged for the new liturgical year. There are some minor differences…the feast of Christ the King didn’t exist in 1908 for instance, so its chants are neo-Gregorian compositions, and I think there are a couple of new compositions for Year B.

While this is very common in the Benedictine world, it isn’t unheard of in parishes; our schola chants monthly from the Graduale in different OF parishes. I know several scholas in Canada and there are also many in the US. The Graduale Romanum and Graduale Simplex (simpler chants for less experienced choirs and smaller churches) remain the “official” music of the Church.

Compare an OF and EF Mass done in chant and they will be remarkably similar and both clearly Catholic in spite of some significant differences in the order of the Mass. Neither is really superior to the other though personal preferences may of course vary. It behooves us as Catholics to respect those preferences without belittling either form or those attached to them.
 
ProVobis said:
We are asked not to compare the two forms on this forum.

You will have to rephrase the question.
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My reading of forum rules is that we’re asked not to “pit” (as the forum rules say) one form of the Mass against another. This would seem to be different than asking for a list of differences between the forms. The former is valuative while the latter is a simple listing of factual information. So long as all forms of the Mass and those who attend these forms are respected, I don’t see a problem. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
It is pretty different. There is extra stuff in the EF at the beginning and end, like at the end of every mass the priest will recite John chapter 1 (the word was made flesh and dwelt among us) etc. Most of the actual liturgy is similar, like the prayers, the order of the readings, etc. but there are extra prayers mixed in throughout, like the “domine non sum dignus” 3 times by the priest before consecration, etc. If you have only ever been to the ordinary form, then you may have a hard time knowing what part of the mass you are at unless you have one of the little books to follow along with.
 
The main difference that I have noticed is the utter necessity for interior silence with the EF. I’ve also noticed that vocational discerners attending the EF on a regular basis usually find their vocation more quickly.

I pray that response doesn’t get me banned.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Cloisters said:
The main difference that I have noticed is the utter necessity for interior silence with the EF.
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Yes, it’s called contemplative prayer. In fact the Latin Mass Society put out a 5-part series (“Death of the Reform of the Reform”) on this (among other things) last year.
 
ProVobis said:
Yes, it’s called contemplative prayer. In fact the Latin Mass Society put out a 5-part series (“Death of the Reform of the Reform”) on this (among other things) last year.
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Interior silence is not the same as contemplative prayer. One is a necessary precondition for the other but they are not the same thing.

Contemplative prayer and interior silence are not specific to any rite or form of the Mass. They are part of the universal Church and go back as far as the Jewish Patriarchs. King David wrote about both.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
Interior silence is not the same as contemplative prayer. One is a necessary precondition for the other but they are not the same thing.
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You are right.

It is also different than meditation which usually involve mantras and such. I could tell you all about my experiences with that.
 
The prayers and gestures in the OF are less numerous, shorter, and simplified, but with more options. The OF has an additional OT reading, has an option for a longer responsorial psalm, but excludes the last Gospel reading. Those are the main differences I can think of.
 
When looking at the differences online and on youtube, remember that within the EF, there is Low Mass and High Mass and these two are very different, in addition to being different from the OF.
 
Shea96 said:
When looking at the differences online and on youtube, remember that within the EF, there is Low Mass and High Mass and these two are very different, in addition to being different from the OF.
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Good point. Occasionally there is also a Solemn High Mass and if celebrated by a bishop becomes the Pontifical Solemn Mass, all part of the 1962 liturgical books.
 
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