Differences in Religions

[GaryTaylor]

What do you mean “all this mess since the 5th century”?

Well, since the time of pre and post millennium the Churches have continued to do extensive work and at the same became separated. It was difficult in understanding even with the Churches united because of cultural diversity, language and expression. Its much of the same now only with more extensive reading due to separation. The learning curve varies, opinions vary in relation to understanding. Pretty much a process of patience and faith.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Efnouti Nai Nan;12587837]Gabriel of 12,
Hello, friend. I am afraid your post quotes me for reasons I don’t understand.

Greetings to you;
My posting is offering you a Catholic perspective to your supposed differences of our faith.
In the hopes to grasp my undertakings here, to see past the minor differences which do not affect the major similarities of the Catholic faith, when it comes to the divine economy of salvation, while all others are secondary. In essence we of the Latin rite, do not focus primarily on what feeds into the schism so as to maintain a schism by a communities disciplinary law which is never binding on the whole and is always subject to change.

It is true that no Orthodox can receive from Roman Catholics and no Catholic can receive from Orthodox.

That may be a discipline practiced in the Orthodox Church’s, but it is never a Catholic discipline to refuse communion to a practicing Catholic.

And the video I posted is a Coptic Orthodox liturgy, not Roman Catholic, so I don’t know what your comment about that means. Sorry. It is not Roman Catholic, so it doesn’t say anything about Roman Catholics

My point is; Our liturgies possess a diverse quality of faith expression as handed down to us from different apostles in diverse languages, cultures, never the less what is celebrated in our diverse liturgy are not to be made out to compete or impose one liturgy over the over, when all are of the same substance of Spirit and Truth. Thus no matter how one may argue our differences in liturgical expression, this argument does not hold up to the substance of what is being celebrated in our diverse liturgies so long as they remain Catholic and Apostolic. In regards to the Roman liturgical rite as handed down to us Latin’s from Peter and Paul specifically.

I do not know which original Apostle handed down to you your liturgy. If it is Apostolic, the substance of your liturgy does not differ from the Greeks nor the Latin’s.

Peace be with you

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Efnouti Nai Nan;12587869]p.s. to Gabriel of 12: You say “Coptics have adopted the term Orthodox, not church council has given it to them”. I don’t know…are you serious about this? It is our church, so we call it Orthodox because its faith is ORTHODOX. No council ever gave the Greek church “Orthodox” either because Orthodox is faith, not a name.

Pre-Constantinople all Church’s were known as Catholic. Post-Constantinople those Eastern Catholics who fell into heterodoxy who’s liturgy, culture, language mirrored their sister Church’s in everything except holding to the correct doctrine clarified and defined from the early Councils. It is from these early councils who labeled these sister Church’s as Orthodox. Since then, we are able to identify which Eastern Catholic Church fell into heresy and which Eastern Catholic Church maintained her Orthodox faith proclaimed from these early councils. These same dubbed Orthodox Church’s continued in their unchanged Catholic faith for the next seven councils, holding to the dubbed name Orthodox to the present.

Presently I find the term Orthodox being abused. I find that many different non-Catholic Christian faith’s and Eastern Catholics who have fallen into heresy have introduced the term Orthodox to their church name title. I was not aware that the Coptic Church took on the name Orthodox to her title name. This does not question ones Orthodox liturgy.

Did some councils give the Roman Catholic church “Catholic”, or do you call it that because that is what you say you are? Because we also say that, too, in the Creed written by our father St. Athanasius the Apostolic that all the churches use. So I think you are mistaken about these matters of how a church gets its name. Sorry.

No, we of the Latin Rite always maintained our Orthodoxy in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith without ever having the need to apply the term Orthodox.

We all profess from Credo, our faith in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith. From the Latin rite, if I can apply Orthodox faith here, is presented in the Apostles Creed which predates the Nicene Creed.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I have no idea. However, if the underlying meaning is the same, and it makes the EO happy, then I have no problem with it.

Little by little, Catholics will find ways to bridge the gap between East and West, but I suspect that even then the EO will not re-unite simply because it offends their pride to do so.

So the only thing stopping our communion is our pride? The same accusation could be leveled against the Pope and the Catholic church, that they will not humble themselves. This sort of talk is likely to spread more division rather than cure it mind you, attacking the personal motivations of one side or another in a medieval fashion.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Efnouti Nai Nan;12594934]Do you know any of the Eastern Orthodox personally, Randy Carson?
I want to know why you think what you think about them and their motivations.

I know some Eastern Orthodox faithful personally and professionally. One in particular comes to mind, every time we met, He condemned the pope and the Catholic Church in ways that are unmentionable here. We got along great as professionals and contracting. But I could not get a word in from a Catholic side view to his Orthodox views of condemning the popes and the Catholic church.

Because of my personal acquaintances with some Eastern Orthodox, I try to communicate with them here on these boards in the past. I was met with same negative opposition towards the popes and the Catholic Church. I couldn’t believe it! So I pondered the question? Do the Orthodox Church leaders teach this negative stuff to their catechumens? In my experience the Greeks retort to Catholicism that reveals a false sense of pride, when it cuts deeper, when they are given this information to oppose the popes and the Catholic Church early on, that matures to professional opposition to the popes and Catholicism.

My priests’ and Pastors have always spoken and taught about the Orthodox Church’s in a positive light, although never negating the schism that exist. They always left me with the impression we have to work with them to full communion. When we are not given the opportunity to do so, pray for peace and the goodwill of all men.
Peace be with you

 

[Tomdstone]

Little by little, Catholics will find ways to bridge the gap between East and West, but I suspect that even then the EO will not re-unite simply because it offends their pride to do so.

One of the reasons why there will not be a reunion soon is that Roman Catholics make uncharitable accusations against the E. Orthodox such as we see here.

 

[SyroMalankara]

Many of these accusations against the Orthodox Churches are terrible, factually wrong, libelous and slander, especially while considering the Holy Days ahead. I will pray for reunion, and for those fomenting division with their cantankerous words.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Many of these accusations against the Orthodox Churches are terrible, factually wrong, libelous and slander, especially while considering the Holy Days ahead. I will pray for reunion, and for those fomenting division with their cantankerous words.

What is the difference between a lived experience and fact?