Differences in the 10 Commandments

[tabycat]

That is because the Hebrew test says “words” (דְּבַרִים) instead of “commands” (חֹקִים) Some people like to be slavishly literal (which is fine). But as Publisher points out the “10 Words” according to the Hebrew Text is found in Ex 35 which is a completely different set than the commands found in Ex 20 and Deut 5.

One that I’ve heard us the the term ‘10 Words’ is a Jewish talk show host (Michael Medved).

 

[Jeff77]

But, your answer is flawed…Luther had many faults, but you are doing him a disservice, because:

Luther did not change the 10 commandments. The Lutheran Church and the Catholic Church 10 commandments are in sync.

Agreed.

 

[Alfonsus]

Actually the Catholic Church recognizes both grouping: the Latin grouping by Augustine and the Greek grouping by the Greek Fathers.
Within the Catholic Church, the Latins use Augustine grouping while the Eastern Catholics use the Greek grouping.

Within the Catechism of the Catholic Church, both groupings are mentioned:

065 Ever since St. Augustine, the Ten Commandments have occupied a predominant place in the catechesis of baptismal candidates and the faithful. In the fifteenth century, the custom arose of expressing the commandments of the Decalogue in rhymed formulae, easy to memorize and in positive form. They are still in use today. the catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments.

2066 The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. the present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. the Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.

And within the Catechism, it there is a table with 3 colums:
The first column is Exodus 20, the second column is Deuteronomy 5, and the third column is a Latin version of catechetical summary.
scborromeo.org/ccc/command.htm

 

[jerry_joseph]

I don’t know how I never knew this, but apparently the Catholic and Protestant versions of the 10 Commandments are different. For those of you who were like me the differences are as such:

1. Catholics have 1 commandment for No other God and no idols, while Protestants separate these out into commandments 1 & 2
2. Catholics have 2 commandments for Not Coveting (wife & anything else) while Protestants combine these into commandment 10.

I was taken aback. I thought the order and content of the ten commandments would be on which all Christians could agree. I guess I was wrong. I wonder which view is more authentic to Scripture as there is no explicit ordering of the commandments there. But my first thought is that both options have a certain amount of redundancy. i.e. Protestants having two commandments concerning idolatry and Catholics having two commandments concerning coveting. Any thoughts?

God did not gave any commandments by numbering it. In bible it is only mentioned that God gave commandments to Moses in two stone tablets.We can assume that God centric commanments are in one stone tablet

1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.

And humanity centric commandments in another stone tablet.

4.Honor your father and your mother.
5.You shall not kill.
6.You shall not commit adultery.
7.You shall not steal.
8.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9.You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

Here Jesus summarized the commandments into two" Love God than everything (God centric) and Love your neighbor as you love yourself.(Humanity centric)" Again these two commandments into one “Love”…

It is the theologians classified these commandments into ten points.

 

[Kennyb]

Protestant or Catholic versions both break down into:

1. Love God with all your heart, yor mind, and your soul.
2. Love your neighbor.

If everyone follows these, all versions of God’s Commandments are kept and any squabbling is over form rather than function.

Peace and all good!

The perfect answer.

 

[Malachi4U]

Protestant 2nd commandment. (Hanging in our hallway. Leftover from our protestant days…)

1. You shall not carve graven images

This commandment seems necessary in order to show that the Catholics pray to graven images in their churches. This was able to give them a degree of separation and a great point when proselytizing Catholics back in the reformation I guess. All my non-Catholic relatives and friends always ask how I can violate the 2nd commandment and knell down, pray to and worship a graven image. They refuse to hear the truth when I tell them it is just a statue used to give us a visual reminder. I then ask them why they have graven images in the form of pictures on their church walls and in their Bibles? Facts hurt. But the point is this, a graven image is wrong, it is just that some people are taught that if you face a picture of Jesus it is OK but if you face a statue it is wrong?

 

[ADZ]

Just read the Bible, it is very clear there, Thou shalt not…, Thou shalt not…, Thou shalt not…, Remember the Sabbath day… and so on.

The reason the Catholic Church split the last two commandments was because it took out number 2, because it bows down to graven images, and had to split one to make the 10 again.

Cant go wrong if you follow Gods word…2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS:

At creation God gave us two things to remember, The Sabbath and Marriage. The first has to do with our relationship with God and the other has to do with our relationship with each other. The Commandments are set out the same, on the first tablet are the first four commandments and all have to do with the virtical relationship that’s betweem man and God, from Having no other God, to Remembering the Sabbath Day.
The second tablet has the Commandments that have to do with the relationship with each other, from Honouring your parents, to number 10, not desiring thy neighbours wife and goods.

 

[exnihilo]

God did not gave any commandments by numbering it. In bible it is only mentioned that God gave commandments to Moses in two stone tablets.

Kinda like the three wise men. There is no numbering of the wise men who came from the East. There is however a description of three gifts given.

Protestant 2nd commandment. (Hanging in our hallway. Leftover from our protestant days…)

1. You shall not carve graven images

This commandment seems necessary in order to show that the Catholics pray to graven images in their churches. This was able to give them a degree of separation and a great point when proselytizing Catholics back in the reformation I guess. All my non-Catholic relatives and friends always ask how I can violate the 2nd commandment and knell down, pray to and worship a graven image. They refuse to hear the truth when I tell them it is just a statue used to give us a visual reminder. I then ask them why they have graven images in the form of pictures on their church walls and in their Bibles? Facts hurt. But the point is this, a graven image is wrong, it is just that some people are taught that if you face a picture of Jesus it is OK but if you face a statue it is wrong?

I think the Muslims have a more sensible approach to this if the Protestant notion of images is accurate. In some Islamic sects images of any living thing are prohibited. This is why Islamic art is so often geometric patterns.

Also along the lines of the issue of worshiping images I would imagine most Protestants who object to images would have a hard time defining worship if asked. And if they did define it you would most likely be able to point out what they described are acts or thoughts which they also have of created things. We praise God in worship but hopefully we also praise people. We sing to God in worship but our radiowaves are mostly full of songs sung to people.

 

[SteveVH]

The reason the Catholic Church split the last two commandments was because it took out number 2, because it bows down to graven images, and had to split one to make the 10 again.

Cant go wrong if you follow Gods word…2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS:

Wow. Its been awhile since I have heard any non-Catholic actually accuse us of this. Most realize it based upon absolute ignorance and has no basis in reality. Aren’t you a breath of fresh air!

 

[PJM]

=Don Jackson;9793271]But, your answer is flawed…Luther had many faults, but you are doing him a disservice, because:

Luther did not change the 10 commandments. The Lutheran Church and the Catholic Church 10 commandments are in sync.

Sincere THANKS, I mispoke.

It would have been FAR more accurate to state that it is Luther who ought to be credited with the Wide dispersion of the KJB.

greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/

The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were produced in the 1380’s AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian. Wycliffe, (also spelled “Wycliff” & “Wyclif”), was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to the Bible. With the help of his followers, called the Lollards, and his assistant Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the scriptures. They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate, which was the only source text available to Wycliffe. The Pope was so infuriated by his teachings and his translation of the Bible into English, that 44 years after Wycliffe had died, he ordered the bones to be dug-up, crushed, and scattered in the river!

William Tyndale was the Captain of the Army of Reformers, and was their spiritual leader. Tyndale holds the distinction of being the first man to ever print the New Testament in the English language. Tyndale was a true scholar and a genius, so fluent in eight languages that it was said one would think any one of them to be his native tongue. He is frequently referred to as the “Architect of the English Language”, (even more so than William Shakespeare) as so many of the phrases Tyndale coined are still in our language today.

Martin Luther had a small head-start on Tyndale, as Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door. Luther, who would be exiled in the months following the Diet of Worms Council in 1521 that was designed to martyr him, would translate the New Testament into German for the first time from the 1516 Greek-Latin New Testament of Erasmus, and publish it in September of 1522. Luther also published a German Pentateuch in 1523, and another edition of the German New Testament in 1529. In the 1530’s he would go on to publish the entire Bible in German.

God Bless,
pat /PJM

 

[JonNC]

Sincere THANKS, I mispoke.

It would have been FAR more accurate to state that it is Luther who ought to be credited with the Wide dispersion of the KJB.

greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/

God Bless,
pat /PJM

Hi Pat,
I’m still not sure how Luther is to be credited for the wide dispersion of the KJV. Can you explain what you mean?

Jon

 

[John_Lazarus]

"PJM:

Quote:

=Don Jackson, post:15, topic:299029"]
But, your answer is flawed…Luther had many faults, but you are doing him a disservice, because:

Luther did not change the 10 commandments. The Lutheran Church and the Catholic Church 10 commandments are in sync.

Sincere THANKS, I mispoke.

It would have been FAR more accurate to state that it is Luther who ought to be credited with the Wide dispersion of the KJB.

greatsite.com/timeline-en…bible-history/

The first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts were produced in the 1380’s AD by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar, and theologian. Wycliffe, (also spelled “Wycliff†& “Wyclifâ€), was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the teaching of the organized Church, which he believed to be contrary to the Bible. With the help of his followers, called the Lollards, and his assistant Purvey, and many other faithful scribes, Wycliffe produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the scriptures. They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate, which was the only source text available to Wycliffe. The Pope was so infuriated by his teachings and his translation of the Bible into English, that 44 years after Wycliffe had died, he ordered the bones to be dug-up, crushed, and scattered in the river!

William Tyndale was the Captain of the Army of Reformers, and was their spiritual leader. Tyndale holds the distinction of being the first man to ever print the New Testament in the English language. Tyndale was a true scholar and a genius, so fluent in eight languages that it was said one would think any one of them to be his native tongue. He is frequently referred to as the “Architect of the English Languageâ€, (even more so than William Shakespeare) as so many of the phrases Tyndale coined are still in our language today.

Martin Luther had a small head-start on Tyndale, as Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door. Luther, who would be exiled in the months following the Diet of Worms Council in 1521 that was designed to martyr him, would translate the New Testament into German for the first time from the 1516 Greek-Latin New Testament of Erasmus, and publish it in September of 1522. Luther also published a German Pentateuch in 1523, and another edition of the German New Testament in 1529. In the 1530’s he would go on to publish the entire Bible in German.

God Bless,
pat /PJM

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