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Why does the Protestant version of the ?Our Father? contain another line at the end and the Catholic version does not?
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elvisman
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**If you’re speaking of the line that states, “For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever”, that’s is from the Didachae. **
When we say the Lord’s prayer during mass, we say, “For the Kingdom, the power and glory are yours now and forever”, it is essentially the same thing.
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John_Henry
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Philthy
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I dont believe this is what the OP was getting at.
If you look at Scripture you will see the end of the prayer being “For the kingdom, the power and the glory…”
If you search for “The Our Father” in Catholic texts, it will end with “and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, Amen.” Take a look at ANY rosary accompaniment or First Holy Communion booklet and there will be no “For the Kingdom,…”
So what’s up with that? Why is there any Catholic version which excludes the “For the kingdom, the power and the glory…”?
And that is exactly what we say at Mass as well - but there is “Deliver us Lord from every evil and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our savior Jesus Christ” And then comes, “For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours now and forever”.
So what’s the deal, as the OP asks? Why is there ANY version of the Our Father which doesnt include “For the kingom…”? And why does the “Our Father” get broken up at Mass into 2 segments with the petitions added in between? I think that was the crux of the OP’s question…
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Genesis315
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The “for thine is the Kingdom” etc is not in the Sriptures following the Lord’s prayer.
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Saint_Sinner
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This is just another example of schizophrenic Protestantism. I also love sola fide (contradicted by scripture) and sola scriptura (contradicted by scripture). 
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Daniel_Marsh
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SemperUbiSubUbi
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Never mind. 
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John_Henry
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My quote of the CCC further up the thread answers this question. “For the Kingdom…” is not a part of the Lord’s Prayer. It is an early liturgical doxology, which likely got incorporated into manuscript of the bible early on. Most Catholic and Protestant commentaries agree that “For the Kingdom…” was not a part of the original Lord’s Prayer…
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RCCDefender
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Consider the source…
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John_Henry
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In the Protestant Textual Commentary of the Greek New Testament, Second Edition (NY: United Bible Societies, 1994, page 13-14), Bruce Metzger writes, “The ascription at the close of the Lord’s Prayer occurs in several forms… The absence of any ascription in early and important [ancient manuscripts], as well as early patristic commentaries on the Lord’s Prayer… suggests that an ascription, usuallly in a threefold form, was composed (perhaps on the basis of 1 Chr 29:11-12) in order to adapt the Prayer for liturgical use in the early church.”
Other sources:
“The doxology at the end of the Our Father, “For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever. Amen,” although found in almost all the late Greek mss., is not found in any early Greek mss. And is certainly not part of the original text. It is a liturgical addition.” (Encyclopedic Dictionary of The Bible, copyright 1963, Luuis F. Hartman, p1687)
“The doxology, though missing in the older and best manuscripts of Matthew and not original to the Lord’s Prayer, is a fitting conclusion to the prayer.” (Harper’s Bible Dictionary, Paul J. Achtemeier, Copyright 1985, p.576)
“The doxology that concludes the prayer (Matt.6:13b, AV) is omitted in RSV, because it does not appear in the oldest and best MSS.; it seems not to have been an original part of the prayer, but represents a liturgical addition.” (The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible, Henry Snyder Gehman, Copyright 1965,p.567)
“Study of the Greek manuscripts shows that the doxology that appears at the end of the Matthean form in some translations is not original.”(Holman Bible Dictionary, Trent C. Butler, Copyright 1991, p.893)
“This doxology was probably not in the original Gospels.”(Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, David Noel Freedman, Copyright 2000,p.822)
“The doxology in Matthew, which constitues and affirmation of faith, is lacking in the lending MSS and is generally regarded as a scribal addition derived from ancient liturgical usage.” (The Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary, Merrill C. Tenney Copyright 1967,p.491)
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Sabda
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Are you talking about the prayer we say at Mass or what’s in the Bible? At Mass we do say the doxology, just not in the same order as Protestants. If your talking about the Bible not all protestant translations have it in the text. A quick check of the NIV shows that it’s not in the text. It’s listed as a footnote along with the statement that some later translations added it. The KJV, however, does have it listed in the text. I’m just wanting to be sure what it is your asking. Your post isn’t exactly clear.
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Church_Militant
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Everyone is pretty close, but here’s the deal.
No Bible contained that line until 1611 when the KJV came out.
The fact is that it is found in the Didache.
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Most scholars consider it a KJV copyist error since it is not found in any previous translations nor in the earliest texts of the passage.
Catholics pray the doxology seperate from the actual Lord’s prayer, (at Mass) for the obvious reason that it is not really part of it.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,
The “For the kingdom…” doxology has been determined to not have been part of the original Scriptures. The oldest and most reliable Greek texts do not have the final doxology.
As mentioned, the doxology is a liturgical text that somehow made its way into the KJV. It doesn’t belong in the Bible. It does, however, belong in the Mass.
As mentioned, the doxology is a liturgical text that somehow made its way into the KJV. It doesn’t belong in the Bible. It does, however, belong in the Mass.
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John_Henry
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I’m not sure that is true. Certainly early manuscripts didn’t contain it, but somewhere along the line, prior to the KJV, it passed into some Greek manuscripts. That is where the KJV translators got it from. It was in their 12 th century Greek manuscript, which they wrongly assumed was an early manuscript.
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Sam88
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After I converted however, it was years before I quit accidentally adding an occasional extra “for” at the end of the Our Father before cutting it off. 
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Philthy
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Ahhhhhh, its NOT in Scripture - I was relying on my memory: I thought I had seen it and didnt have my bible with me to check.
**Thank you ** - I was wrong again.
I have to say, that makes me feel better, and makes the most sense. Once again, the CC is correct…
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Daniel_Marsh
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Looks like our protestant brainwashing is wearing off on you.
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Philthy
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I knew had seen it, I didnt realize it was from the KJV…
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**Mat 6:13**And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
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**Mat 6:13**And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
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rr1213
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It’s not in the Scripture but, as noted by other above, is in the nature of a doxology. Still, it doesn’t really matter does it? This is by far one of the smallest distinctions between the Catholic and Protestant faith. When attending a Protestant Church, remember to say it. When attending a Catholic Church, remember not to say it or you’ll find yourself praying alone at that point of the prayer. 
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