Different bishops per region?

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Popping over to GCatholic.com…
Within the US…
LA: Latin and Maronite
Detroit: Latin and Chaldean
Pittsburgh: Latin and Ruthenian
Parma: Ruthenian and Ukrainian
Newark: Latin and Syrian
Phoenix: Latin and Ruthenian
Chigaco: Latin, Syro-Malabar, Ukrainian.
Philadelphia: Latin, Ukrainian
Brooklyn: Latin, Armenian*, Maronite

So Chi-Town has 3 Catholic cathedrals, one western, One Oriental, One Byzantine…

*Name of the Eparchy says New York, but it’s cathedral is in Brooklyn. Further, there is a Latin Bishop of New York, too…
 
Aramis said:
Popping over to GCatholic.com…
Within the US…
LA: Latin and Maronite
Detroit: Latin and Chaldean
Pittsburgh: Latin and Ruthenian
Parma: Ruthenian and Ukrainian
Newark: Latin and Syrian
Phoenix: Latin and Ruthenian
Chigaco: Latin, Syro-Malabar, Ukrainian.
Philadelphia: Latin, Ukrainian
Brooklyn: Latin, Armenian*, Maronite

So Chi-Town has 3 Catholic cathedrals, one western, One Oriental, One Byzantine…

*Name of the Eparchy says New York, but it’s cathedral is in Brooklyn. Further, there is a Latin Bishop of New York, too…
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Also …
Boston (Latin, Melkite)
San Diego (Latin, Chaldean)

As for LAX, it’s true that the Maronite Eparchy of Our Lady of Lebanon was originally established there in 1994, but it was transferred to St Louis in 2001.

The bishop of the Syriac CC resides in Newark but the cathedral was originally in Union City, NJ. I believe it has now been moved to Bayonne, NJ.

One could also make an argument for Long Island, NY. The Latin diocese is in Rockville Center (with jurisdiction over all of LI) and the new Syro-Malankara Exarchate is in Hempstead, about 4 miles away.
 
malphono said:
Also …
Boston (Latin, Melkite)
San Diego (Latin, Chaldean)

As for LAX, it’s true that the Maronite Eparchy of Our Lady of Lebanon was originally established there in 1994, but it was transferred to St Louis in 2001.

The bishop of the Syriac CC resides in Newark but the cathedral was originally in Union City, NJ. I believe it has now been moved to Bayonne, NJ.

One could also make an argument for Long Island, NY. The Latin diocese is in Rockville Center (with jurisdiction over all of LI) and the new Syro-Malankara Exarchate is in Hempstead, about 4 miles away.
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The Melkite see is the Eparchy of Newton, not Boston.
 
From an Eastern Orthodox point of view, one of the hardest questions to answer is “who is THE bishop of New York?”. There are several EO jurisdictions headed in New York and most are in communion with each other too. But there have always been irregularities of some sort in the Church.
 
As far as the jurisdictional situation here in the USA for Orthodoxy, we all see this overlapping of bishops and disunity on the surface as a grave sin and are seeking, with God’s help, to slowly correct it.

Of course then other issues come up as to how to best handle certain issues under a unified bishopric, such as the church calendar.
 
malphono said:
Yes, I know. It’s within the MBTA “T” system (Green Line), so let’s call it metro-Boston and be done with it. 🙂
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Its just a way to get around the two bishops in the same city. I realize that.

Just like the Ruthenians and Ukrainians in Parma with a Latin in Cleveland.
 
ByzCath said:
Its just a way to get around the two bishops in the same city. I realize that.

Just like the Ruthenians and Ukrainians in Parma with a Latin in Cleveland.
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I guess that is why the Ukrainian Cathedral in my Eparchy is in New Westminster, while the RC Archdiocese is in Vancouver. Same Metro area. And the Ukrainians can’t set up shop in Victoria either, the captial of the province, since its another RC diocese. New West is the next prominent city in terms of history as its was the first captial of BC.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I guess that is why the Ukrainian Cathedral in my Eparchy is in New Westminster, while the RC Archdiocese is in Vancouver. Same Metro area. And the Ukrainians can’t set up shop in Victoria either, the captial of the province, since its another RC diocese. New West is the next prominent city in terms of history as its was the first captial of BC.
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Thats why they have the funny naming of Eparchies in some cases.

For example.

Latin - Diocese of Phoenix
Ruthenian - Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Phoenix

Ruthenian - Eparchy of Parma
Ukrainian - Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of St Josaphat - Parma

This way, there is only one bishop for Phoenix, the other is the bishop of the Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy.

For Parma, there is only one bishop of Parma, the Ruthenian, the Ukrainian is the bishop of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of St Josaphat.

When ever bishops truly share a city you will see this in the naming of their Diocese/Eparchy. One will be the bishop of the city the other (or others) will most likely have one of these contrived names.

The only one that I know of that is different is Pittsburgh.

Latin - Diocese of Pittsburgh
Ruthenian - Byzantine Catholic Metropolitian Archeparchy of Pittsburgh

The difference I see here is the Latin is a bishop and the Ruthenian is a Metropolitian Archbishop.

But then Philadelphia seems to be an archbishop for the Latins and an archbishop for the Ukrainians.

So once you think you find a rule that might make some sense they mess it all up.
 
Dear brother ByzCath,
ByzCath said:
Latin - Diocese of Phoenix
Ruthenian - Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Phoenix

Ruthenian - Eparchy of Parma
Ukrainian - Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of St Josaphat - Parma

This way, there is only one bishop for Phoenix, the other is the bishop of the Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy.

For Parma, there is only one bishop of Parma, the Ruthenian, the Ukrainian is the bishop of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of St Josaphat.
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So in Pheonix, the territorial jurisdiciton is held by the Latins, and the ritual/personal jurisdiction is held by the Ruthenians.

In Parma, the territorial jurisdiction is held by the Ruthenians, while the ritual/personal jurisdiction is held by the Ukrainians.

Is that correct?

Blessings,
Marduk
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother ByzCath,

So in Pheonix, the territorial jurisdiciton is held by the Latins, and the ritual/personal jurisdiction is held by the Ruthenians.

In Parma, the territorial jurisdiction is held by the Ruthenians, while the ritual/personal jurisdiction is held by the Ukrainians.

Is that correct?

Blessings,
Marduk
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That’s how it appears to me, but the territory of the Ruthenian does not perfectly match the area covered by the Ukrainian in Parma, nor does it for Phoenix.

Just confusing.
 
ByzCath said:
That’s how it appears to me, but the territory of the Ruthenian does not perfectly match the area covered by the Ukrainian in Parma, nor does it for Phoenix.

Just confusing.
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They are all overlapping territorial jurisdictions. For example, you know the entire USA is covered with Latin Church dioceses, but the Byzantine (Ruthenian) has four eparchies:

Metropolitan Archeparchy of Pittsburgh: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, W. Virginia, part of Ohio, W. Pennsylvania

Eparchy of Parma: North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnosota, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinios, Indiana, Most of Ohio.

Eparchy of Passaic: Florida, Georgia, S. Carolina, N. Carolina, Virginia, DC, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, E. Pennsylvania.

Eparchy of Phoenix: Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado.

About ten states have no parishes established so I am not sure which eparchy they are in.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Interestingly, the Eparchy of New Westminster has a pretty clear and defined territory:

nweparchy.ca/index.php?go=chancery

even though there are no parishes in the Yukon or the half of the Northwest Territories that fall into its jurisdiction.
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Parishes can be likewise covering areas that are beyond reachable.

St Nicholas of Myra Parish, Anchorage, AK, is defined as covering the whole state. (It’s also defined as the personal parish for all EC’s in Alaska, as well as the Ruthenian Territorial Parish.)

The truth is, the ascription is to a particular church; almost every parish of a particular ECC is territorially defined. That territory often, neé, almost always, seems to ignore the boundaries defined for other churches sui iuris.

The EC bishops are not “personal jurisdictions”… they are territorial, but only for subjects of their church sui iuris.
 
Vico said:
They are all overlapping territorial jurisdictions. For example, you know the entire USA is covered with Latin Church dioceses, but the Byzantine (Ruthenian) has four eparchies:

Metropolitan Archeparchy of Pittsburgh: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, W. Virginia, part of Ohio, W. Pennsylvania

Eparchy of Parma: North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnosota, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinios, Indiana, Most of Ohio.

Eparchy of Passaic: Florida, Georgia, S. Carolina, N. Carolina, Virginia, DC, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, E. Pennsylvania.

Eparchy of Phoenix: Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado.

About ten states have no parishes established so I am not sure which eparchy they are in.
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Technically there is no “Eparchy of Phoenix” it is the Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Phoenix.
 
Aramis said:
Parishes can be likewise covering areas that are beyond reachable.

St Nicholas of Myra Parish, Anchorage, AK, is defined as covering the whole state. (It’s also defined as the personal parish for all EC’s in Alaska, as well as the Ruthenian Territorial Parish.)

The truth is, the ascription is to a particular church; almost every parish of a particular ECC is territorially defined. That territory often, neé, almost always, seems to ignore the boundaries defined for other churches sui iuris.

The EC bishops are not “personal jurisdictions”… they are territorial, but only for subjects of their church sui iuris.
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I see there is an open door to all in the territory, at St. Nicholas of Myrna.

http://www.ak-byz-cath.org/images/NewMooseSm.JPG

The Latin Church gave up the idea that the western regions were exclusively the jurisdiciton of the Latin Church when the Vatican approved theBishop of the United States of America, Faithful of the Oriental Rite, Bishop Soter Ortynsky, in Feb. 1907, with limited power (see the letter Ea Semper). It was a landmark decision and finally resulted in* establishing an ordinariate in May 1913* and in August 1914 of removing the limitations (see the letter Cum Episcopo).
 
Vico said:
I see there is an open door to all in the territory, at St. Nicholas of Myrna.

http://www.ak-byz-cath.org/images/NewMooseSm.JPG

The Latin Church gave up the idea that the western regions were exclusively the jurisdiciton of the Latin Church when the Vatican approved theBishop of the United States of America, Faithful of the Oriental Rite, Bishop Soter Ortynsky, in Feb. 1907, with limited power (see the letter Ea Semper). It was a landmark decision and finally resulted in* establishing an ordinariate in May 1913* and in August 1914 of removing the limitations (see the letter Cum Episcopo).
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Myra, not Myrna…

We have a mission, as well, 70 miles north, in Wasilla… no building, yet, for it.
 
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