Different Liturgies

[The_Catholic]

Could someone please point me to a website showing all the different Liturgies, if possible side-by-side? I’m curious as to what others ar elike, since I know only the Novus Ordo.

Also, is there a place where I can compare the pre-Vatican II Latin Liturgy to the Novus Ordo?

Thanks in Advance.

 

[wynd]

Could someone please point me to a website showing all the different Liturgies, if possible side-by-side? I’m curious as to what others ar elike, since I know only the Novus Ordo.

I don’t know if there is a side-by-side comparison. The texts are not always analogous in the two liturgies. Here is the text of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, the main liturgy of the Byzantine churches: biserica.org/Publicatii/ServiceBook/sjcli.htm

Also, here is the text of the Liturgy of St. Basil the Great, which is used on Sundays during Lent and a few other days: biserica.org/Publicatii/ServiceBook/Sbgli.htm

Also, is there a place where I can compare the pre-Vatican II Latin Liturgy to the Novus Ordo?

geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/5816/compare.html

 

[The_Catholic]

I don’t know if there is a side-by-side comparison. The texts are not always analogous in the two liturgies. Here is the text of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, the main liturgy of the Byzantine churches: biserica.org/Publicatii/ServiceBook/sjcli.htm

Also, here is the text of the Liturgy of St. Basil the Great, which is used on Sundays during Lent and a few other days: biserica.org/Publicatii/ServiceBook/Sbgli.htm

geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/5816/compare.html

Thanks brother!

 

[The_Catholic]

Wow, the Novus Ordo is so much shorter than the Tridentine. What exactly were the reasons for a change in liturgy and why so much shorter, also why did they abandon prayers such as Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal?

 

[Cluny]

also why did they abandon prayers such as Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal?

These were NEVER prayers of the Mass.

They were never included in the Altar Missal.

These and some others (collectively called the Leonine Prayers) were at one time appointed to be said after LOW masses–and that not before the 19th century.

In other words, they were not even said after a Missa Cantata or Missa Solemnis.

 

[bkovacs]

Tridentine Mass (pre V2) vs Novus Ordo Mass (post V2) (Side by side)

latin-mass-society.org/missals.htm

 

[Spirithound]

I’ve been looking around a bit, so on this topic, can someone direct me to the text of the Anaphora of Sts. Mari and Addai? Thank you!

 

[diggerdomer]

orthodoxwiki.org/Liturgy_of_Addai_and_Mari

Although, it might be better to get a good text on early Eucharistic prayers/anaphoras (e.g. Jasper and Cummings) …I’m not familiar with the site above, per se, so can’t verify 100% that the text it gives is accurate.

 

[Rolltide]

Here are all of the various Eastern Catholic liturgies. Just click along the menu on the left to get to the text. Included are:

The Liturgy of St. Basil
The Chaldean Mass
The Order of the Divine and Holy Liturgy of Our Father Among the Saints Gregory the Theologian (The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts)
The Liturgy of St. James
The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom
The Liturgy of St. Mark
The Holy Qorbono
faswebdesign.com/ECPA/Worship/overview.html

 

[Cluny]

I’ve been looking around a bit, so on this topic, can someone direct me to the text of the Anaphora of Sts. Mari and Addai? Thank you!

There was an excellent translation of Ss Addai and Mari as used by the Assyrian Church of the East (which as you know, lacks the Words of Institution, though the intention to accomplish the Mystery of the Eucharist is obvious), as well as the other two liturgies (which do contain them) at www.cired.org, but this site is presently inactive.

You can find an English version of most recent recension of Ss Addai and Mari as used by the Chaldean Catholic Church here:

kaldu.org/14_Reformed_ChaldeanMass/ReformedMissal_Eng.html

 

[The_Catholic]

also why did they abandon prayers such as Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal?

These were NEVER prayers of the Mass.

They were never included in the Altar Missal.

These and some others (collectively called the Leonine Prayers) were at one time appointed to be said after LOW masses–and that not before the 19th century.

In other words, they were not even said after a Missa Cantata or Missa Solemnis.

So, the Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal prayers were never part of the Tridentine Latin Mass?

 

[malphono]

So, the Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal prayers were never part of the Tridentine Latin Mass?

Contrary to popular opinion, no, they were not. Cluny’s comment is correct.

 

[Aramis]

So, the Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal prayers were never part of the Tridentine Latin Mass?

Not part of the Mass as defined by Rome, and as evidenced in the altar sacramentary.

Part of the extended traditional accretions to the mass, in the public perception of it.

 

[bpbasilphx]

** Originally Posted by Cluny View Post
also why did they abandon prayers such as Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal?

These were NEVER prayers of the Mass.

They were never included in the Altar Missal.

These and some others (collectively called the Leonine Prayers) were at one time appointed to be said after LOW masses–and that not before the 19th century.

In other words, they were not even said after a Missa Cantata or Missa Solemnis.

So, the Hail Holy Queen and St. Micheal prayers were never part of the Tridentine Latin Mass?**

**These prayers were never even said after Mass until the time of Pope Leo XIII in the late 1800’s. Hence the name “Leonine Prayers”.

Their original intention was for protection of the temporal sovereignty of the Pope when he was being deprived of the Papal States by the newly united Kingdom of Italy. They were at first said only in the erstwhile Papal States, later extended to the entire Latin Church–but only after a Low Mass

Then another pope (Pius X, I think) changed their intention to protection against modernism.

Then Pius XI changed their intention to the “conversion of Russia”–even though Russia had been a Christian nation, despite the Communists, for centuries.

According to Wikipedia, they have been tinkered with more or less constantly since ordered by Leo XIII.

The Wikipedia article closes with the following information:

The Leonine Prayers were never included in the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal or in any other edition. But the fact that they were suppressed only after the 1962 Missal was issued is considered by some to mean that they are obligatory when Mass is celebrated in accordance with that Missal. Accordingly, they are still recited publicly sometimes after a celebration of Tridentine Mass. This is not the practice in the Ecône seminary of the Society of St. Pius X,[3] and it has been argued that, since freedom to profess the faith has been restored in Russia, the purpose for which the Leonine Prayers were prescribed in 1930 has been achieved, leading to cessation of the law concerning them.[3]<<

Here is also some surprising information about the–and from a sedevacantist of all people!

traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=16&catname=1**