Different translations/versions of the Mass

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Hi, 🙂 I’m just wondering, how many versions of the Mass are there? Yesterday I went to a different parish than I do usually, and the words of the Mass were different… (not like the priest was changing words, but the entire thing was different, as if it was a different version.) The words of the Consecration were the same though.

Thanks 🙂
 
Hi, 🙂 I’m just wondering, how many versions of the Mass are there? Yesterday I went to a different parish than I do usually, and the words of the Mass were different… (not like the priest was changing words, but the entire thing was different, as if it was a different version.) The words of the Consecration were the same though.

Thanks 🙂
There are differences between Sunday and Daily Mass and many different options to choose from even within them.
 
Hi, 🙂 I’m just wondering, how many versions of the Mass are there? Yesterday I went to a different parish than I do usually, and the words of the Mass were different… (not like the priest was changing words, but the entire thing was different, as if it was a different version.) The words of the Consecration were the same though.

Thanks 🙂
If you are talking about a Roman Catholic Sunday Mass, there are two forms. The “Ordinary Form” celebrated by the vast majority of Catholics according to the Missal promulgated by Paul VI. The other is the “extraordinary form” which follows the 1962 Missal as approved by John XXIII.
 
how many versions of the Mass are there? Yesterday I went to a different parish than I do usually, and the words of the Mass were different.
There are many options of texts that the priest has throughout the Mass.

The greeting by the priest at the beginning of Mass has three forms, each from St. Paul’s letters. A bishop says a different, fourth option.

The Penitential Act has three forms: A) the Confiteor (“I confess to almighty God…”) followed by the Kyrie (“Lord have mercy”), B) a short dialogue between the priest and people, followed by the Kyrie, or C) the Kyrie with three invocations interspersed (e.g. “Lord Jesus, you are true God and true Man: Lord, have mercy”).

The Preface to the Eucharistic Prayer depends on the day.

There are a lot of Eucharistic Prayers. There’s the traditional one, the Roman Canon (Eucharistic Prayer I), then there’s EP II, III, and IV. There are two Eucharistic Prayers for reconciliation. There are three Eucharistic Prayers for Masses in which the majority of the congregation is small children. There is also a four-in-one Eucharistic Prayer that has interchangeable parts depending on the intentions of the Mass. So that’s 10 (or 13) Eucharistic Prayers.
 
It sounds as if you experienced different Mass parts, rather than different “forms” of the liturgy (“Ordinary” and “Extraordinary” [Tridentine]).

I would point you to this website, which goes through the Order of the Mass, putting the different texts side-by-side for easy comparison.

Peace!

Matt

“Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you.” 1 Peter 3:15
 
Most people are not aware that the “Catholic Church” is actually comprised of twenty-three independent Catholic Churches, all in union with the pope. The Western, or Latin Catholic Church, is so large, however, that many people, even Catholics, are completely unaware of the other twenty-two churches, which make up the Eastern Branch. (Some have from only a few thousand members to a few million.)

Originally, there was only one denomination… the Catholic Church (the word Catholic meaning “universal”). However, there were five cities that were singled out as being important centers of Christianity. They were Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, and of course, Rome. Each developed its own unique traditions and liturgy, but ALL shared a common theology and were in communion with each other and the Bishop of Rome, known as the Pope. However, about 1000 years ago, due to a variety of unfortunate problems, the other four cities, allied with the Byzantine Empire, mutually broke off from Rome, forming the various Eastern Orthodox Churches. Although doctrinally, they are virtually identical to Catholics, they refuse to acknowledge that the pope is more than a “first among equals”. (A couple groups broke of much earlier in the 400s AD also, to form what are known as the Oriental Orthodox Churches).

What has happened is that over time, some portions of each of the various Orthodox groups have decided to reconcile with the Catholic Church and come back into communion with Rome. When they do, they are allowed to keep all of their traditions and much of their independence, although they acknowledge the authority of the Pope. They become truly Catholic, in that anyone from ANY branch of the Catholic Church can participate in the liturgy and ceremonies of any OTHER branch of the Catholic Church. The only two Eastern groups that never fell out of communion with the Catholic Church were the Maronite Catholic Church, and the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church. So… for every branch of the Orthodox Churches that are NOT in communion with Rome, there is a corresponding and virtually identical branch of the Eastern Catholic Church that IS in communion with Rome. Since their customs and liturgies date from before the Council of Trent, they are allowed to remain.

The following liturgies are used by the Eastern Catholic Churches:
  • The Liturgy of St. Basil
  • The Chaldean Mass
  • The Order of the Divine and Holy Liturgy of Our Father Among the Saints Gregory the Theologian (or Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts)
  • The Liturgy of St. James
  • The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom
  • The Liturgy of St. Mark
  • The Holy Qorbono
Here are all of the various Eastern Catholic liturgies listed above. Just click along the menu on the left to get to the text.
faswebdesign.com/ECPA/Worship/overview.html

Here is a listing that includes EACH of the twenty-three Catholic Churches in union with the Pope. Do not confuse “churches” with “rites”. A rite is a series of traditions, that includes different customs and liturgies. Several different churches may use the exact same rite. A Church has its own rules and separate line of authority to the Pope. It may also have a figure in charge, like a Metropolitan or a Patriarch (like an Archbishop), since these churches are generally very small and work very hard to preserve their unique traditions. The major rites are the Latin, Alexandrian, Antiochian, Armenian, Chaldean, and Byzantine.

The Western (Latin) Catholic Church

Latin liturgical tradition

  1. Ordinary Form
  2. Extraordinary Form
  3. Ambrosian Rite (Only permitted in the Archdiocese of Milan)
  4. Mozarabic Rite (Only permitted in the Cathedral of Toledo, Spain and a few surrounding churches of the diocese)
  5. Bragan Rite (Only permitted in the Archdiocese of Braga, Portugal)
  6. Anglican-Use Mass (Originally, this form was permitted in the extremely rare circumstance in which an Anglican priest converted to Catholicism and brought his entire parish with him. In that event, a parish could continue to use the Anglican liturgy, with corrections to make it conform with Catholic teachings It was originally meant as a transitional liturgy; upon the death of the pastor, the church would revert to the Ordinary Form. However, since the release of the new Apostolic Constitution to the Anglicans by the Vatican, it seems that this will now become a permanent form, with some details remaining to be worked out.)
Rites of Religious Orders (These are not technically rites per se, but rather small variants of the Roman liturgy. The Ambrosian, Mozarabic, and Bragan Rites fall into this category too.):
  1. Dominican Rite
  2. Carthusian Rite
  3. Carmelite Rite
  4. Cisternian Rite
continued…
 
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The Eastern Catholic Churches**

1. Alexandrian liturgical tradition
  1. Coptic Catholic Church (patriarchate): Egypt (1741)
  2. Ethiopian Catholic Church (metropolia): Ethiopia, Eritrea (1846)
    2. Antiochian (Antiochene or West-Syrian) liturgical tradition
  3. Maronite Church (patriarchate): Lebanon, Cyprus, Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Argentina, Brazil, United States, Australia, Canada, Mexico (union re-affirmed 1182)
  4. Syriac Catholic Church (patriarchate): Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Palestine, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Turkey, United States and Canada, Venezuela (1781)
  5. Syro-Malankara Catholic Church (major archiepiscopate): India, United States (1930)
    3. Armenian liturgical tradition:
  6. Armenian Catholic Church (patriarchate): Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Palestine, Ukraine, France, Greece, Latin America, Argentina, Romania, United States, Canada, Eastern Europe (1742)
    4. Chaldean or East Syrian liturgical tradition:
  7. Chaldean Catholic Church (patriarchate): Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, United States (1692)
  8. Syro-Malabar Church (major archiepiscopate): India, Middle East, Europe and America.
    5. Byzantine (Constantinopolitan) liturgical tradition:
  9. Albanian Greek Catholic Church (apostolic administration): Albania (1628)
  10. Belarusian Greek Catholic Church (no established hierarchy at present): Belarus (1596)
  11. Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church (apostolic exarchate): Bulgaria (1861)
  12. Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of KriĹľevci (an eparchy and an apostolic exarchate): Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro (1611)
  13. Greek Byzantine Catholic Church (two apostolic exarchates): Greece, Turkey (1829)
  14. Hungarian Greek Catholic Church (an eparchy and an apostolic exarchate): Hungary (1646)
  15. Italo-Albanian Catholic Church (two eparchies and a territorial abbacy): Italy (Never separated)
  16. Macedonian Greek Catholic Church (an apostolic exarchate): Republic of Macedonia (1918)
  17. Melkite Greek Catholic Church (patriarchate): Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, Jerusalem, Brazil, United States, Canada, Mexico, Iraq, Egypt and Sudan, Kuwait, Australia, Venezuela, Argentina (1726)
  18. Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic (major archiepiscopate): Romania, United States (1697)
  19. Russian Catholic Church: (two apostolic exarchates, at present with no published hierarchs): Russia, China (1905); currently about 20 parishes and communities scattered around the world, including five in Russia itself, answering to bishops of other jurisdictions
  20. Ruthenian Catholic Church (a sui juris metropolia, an eparchy, and an apostolic exarchate): United States, Ukraine, Czech Republic (1646)
  21. Slovak Greek Catholic Church (metropolia): Slovak Republic, Canada (1646)
  22. Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (major archiepiscopate): Ukraine, Poland, United States, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, Germany and Scandinavia, France, Brazil, Argentina (1595)
 
With respect to the informative and educational response of Rolltide, I have a feeling that the OP experienced what a lot of us do in the Catholic Church: horrendous inconsistency.

If you go to the Ordinary Form Mass in two different parishes or even the same parish on two different Sundays, the disregard for the instructions and rubrics is so bad that it will seem like it is not even the same Mass. In the last few years, I would say that the OF has become so dumbed down, extomporaneous, and inconsistent in my diocese that it is basically intolerable for me.

I don’t think it is an invalid Mass as written, however, due to the number of “options” I think it promotes inconsistency and a lax attitude about adding profane (not obscene, but non-sacred) elements or subtracting or adding variety to formulas that are not supposed to be changed.
 
With respect to the informative and educational response of Rolltide, I have a feeling that the OP experienced what a lot of us do in the Catholic Church: horrendous inconsistency.

If you go to the Ordinary Form Mass in two different parishes or even the same parish on two different Sundays, the disregard for the instructions and rubrics is so bad that it will seem like it is not even the same Mass. In the last few years, I would say that the OF has become so dumbed down, extomporaneous, and inconsistent in my diocese that it is basically intolerable for me.

I don’t think it is an invalid Mass as written, however, due to the number of “options” I think it promotes inconsistency and a lax attitude about adding profane (not obscene, but non-sacred) elements or subtracting or adding variety to formulas that are not supposed to be changed.
What makes you say that? What you suggest has certainly not been my experience.

The different opening and closing prayers and prefaces along with different EPs and quite licit options can indeed make two Masses seem considerably different to the untrained eye.
 
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