Difficult abortion question

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I need some help. In a contemporary ethics class I’m taking at college, we recently were assigned an article that attempted to philosophically justify abortion. One of the author’s first moves was to outline what she termed the extreme, anti-abortion stance. Not surprisingly, she chose Popes Pius XI and Pius XII as representatives of this view, quoting passages from the former’s Encyclical on Christian Marriage and the latter’s Address to the Italian Catholic Society of Midwives,:

“however much we may pity the mother whose health and even life is gravely imperiled in the performance of the duty alloted to her by nature, nevertheless what could ever be a suffiencent reason for excusing in any way the direct murder of the innocent?”

“Hence there is no man, no human authority, no science, no medical, eugenic, social, economic or moral ‘indication’ which can establish or grant a valid juridical ground for a direct deliberate disposition of an innocent human life, that is a disposition which looks to its destruction either as an end or as a menas to another end perhaps in itself not illiceit.”

We gather from these passages that abortion, according to the “extremist” (Catholic) view, is impermissible even if the mother will die. We have here St. Thomas Aquinas’ doctrine of double effect, where we distinguish between the intentions and the known consequences of a certain action: Even though the mother dies as a result of having the child, this is not the same as directly killing her; aborting the child, on the other hand, constitutes a direct and intentional termination of life. According to our instructor, St. Thomas Aquinas actually developed the ethical principle of double effect, because he was trying to justify killing in self-defense. Well, interestingly enough, the author of the article I’m reading actually takes this concept and applies it to abortion, asserting, in fact, that abortion, in cases where the mother’s life is at risk, is a situation of self-defense.

The author draws the conclusion that having the right to life does not guarantee having a right to be given the use of, or a right to be allowed continued use of, another person’s body; that life must be given, because the mother has a pior right to her body. So just because the mother ought to give her body to her baby, it doesn’t follow, in the author’s mind, that the baby has a right to the mother’s body.

So I guess what I’m asking for is some assistance in refuting this argument. We would all likely agree that killing a robber in self-defense, although unfortunate, is justified–so why is this not the case with abortion? Is it because the baby is unlike the robber in that it is innocent? And how would a Catholic like myself respond to the author’s point that the child does not have a right to the mother’s body? I apologize that this message is so long. I just wanted to be as specific as possible–after all this is a philosophy class I’m taking, and I need to be able to respond appropriately.

Thanks for your help.
 
I am sure several people will offer very sophisticated replies that will help you. My (name removed by moderator)ut is to suggest you clearly define terms at the start. What is meant by direct abortion, indirect abortion, double effect, and what exactly is a right?
 
We don’t make the choice to have someone attack us, the mother makes the choice to lay on her back and get pregnant, be it promiscuoius sex, or a married couple too LAZY to implement NFP. Relating a baby to a mugger in the park is not even a credible comparison. this should be easy to refute.
 
Is this the Judith Jarvis Thompson piece? If so, I recommend looking into double effect. You should note at the outset, it’s sometimes complex. Quite frankly, your professor doesn’t get it. Make sure you’re doing an apples-to-apples comparison - a secondary act which kills someone is not the same as a primary act which kills someone. If there’s a killing, make sure you’re using a killing which involves puncturing the skull of the victim with a hard metal object, sucking out the brains and crushing the skull. Then you’re comparing apples-to-apples.

Also, make sure you focus on the moral premise that “it’s always morally wrong to kill (by positive direct action - not necessarily by omission or secondary action) innocent human persons”. Situations might possibly be constructed where it’s a “lesser evil” (I think that’s hard to do without absurdity, but it might get made), but it’s never morally right. It’s always morally wrong. Than you compare whether inconvenience (however significant) can justify directly and intentionally killing an innocent human person.

If it’s not wrong to kill an innocent person…nothing is morally wrong. Ever.

Finally, there’s nothing about abortion that’s self defense. IT"S A BABY! It’s not going for your jugular - it’s sucking its thumb! In the rare cases like ectopic pregnancies, the double-effect argument holds in removing the filopian tube. This is a direct act of doing good (removing the malfunctioning organ) which causes a secondary effect (death of the embryo).

Just my initial thoughts.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
the best person who writes rebuttals to these arguments, in terms easily understood and communicated, is again Peter Kreeft in Three Approaches to Abortion, ignatius press (there is a link on the CA homepage)
 
To help support her argument, the author of the article I read came up with this analogy, which sort of puts all of the theoretical material that I have outlined above on a more relateable level:

Suppose you find yourself one morning randomly hooked up to a famous violinist whose life depends on your kidneys purifying his blood along with your own. The doctor says to you, “It’s all most distressing, and I deeply sympathize, but you see this is putting an additional strain on your kidneys, and you’ll be dead within a month. But you have to stay where you are all the same. Because unplugging you would be directly killing an innocent violinist, and that’s murder, and that’s impermissible.”

So how would one respond to this one? Because the violinist is just as innocent as a baby would be.
 
you do realize that the instance of grave danger to the mother is like 1 in a million right? These excuses are just that, excuses.
 
So how would one respond to this one? Because the violinist is just as innocent as a baby would be.
No, he isn’t, and when people have to resort to pure fantasy in order to make points in a debate, it’s a sure sign that they’re attempting to justify something that is indefensible.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Is this the Judith Jarvis Thompson piece? If so, I recommend looking into double effect. You should note at the outset, it’s sometimes complex. Quite frankly, your professor doesn’t get it. Make sure you’re doing an apples-to-apples comparison - a secondary act which kills someone is not the same as a primary act which kills someone. If there’s a killing, make sure you’re using a killing which involves puncturing the skull of the victim with a hard metal object, sucking out the brains and crushing the skull. Then you’re comparing apples-to-apples.

Also, make sure you focus on the moral premise that “it’s always morally wrong to kill (by positive direct action - not necessarily by omission or secondary action) innocent human persons”. Situations might possibly be constructed where it’s a “lesser evil” (I think that’s hard to do without absurdity, but it might get made), but it’s never morally right. It’s always morally wrong. Than you compare whether inconvenience (however significant) can justify directly and intentionally killing an innocent human person.

If it’s not wrong to kill an innocent person…nothing is morally wrong. Ever.

Finally, there’s nothing about abortion that’s self defense. IT"S A BABY! It’s not going for your jugular - it’s sucking its thumb! In the rare cases like ectopic pregnancies, the double-effect argument holds in removing the filopian tube. This is a direct act of doing good (removing the malfunctioning organ) which causes a secondary effect (death of the embryo).

Just my initial thoughts.

God Bless,
RyanL
Yes, it is her piece! You make an excellent point about the double-effect. But part of the problem I feel is that Thompson introduces into her argument, as you probably know already, the concept of a third party: it’s not legitimate to infer what is permissible for the mother to do based on what is permissible for a third part–say, for a doctor, or advisor or something. I having trouble combating this idea of hers. Any ideas?
 
the best person who writes rebuttals to these arguments, in terms easily understood and communicated, is again Peter Kreeft in Three Approaches to Abortion, ignatius press (there is a link on the CA homepage)
thanks, I will definitely check him out.
 
you do realize that the instance of grave danger to the mother is like 1 in a million right? These excuses are just that, excuses.
In many ways, I totally agree with you. But on the other hand, I also feel that statistics don’t nullify the need to be philosophically consistent on an issue–in the end, we need to address the special cases, however uncommon they are.
 
To help support her argument, the author of the article I read came up with this analogy, which sort of puts all of the theoretical material that I have outlined above on a more relateable level:

Suppose you find yourself one morning randomly hooked up to a famous violinist whose life depends on your kidneys purifying his blood along with your own. The doctor says to you, “It’s all most distressing, and I deeply sympathize, but you see this is putting an additional strain on your kidneys, and you’ll be dead within a month. But you have to stay where you are all the same. Because unplugging you would be directly killing an innocent violinist, and that’s murder, and that’s impermissible.”

So how would one respond to this one? Because the violinist is just as innocent as a baby would be.
The violinist has no “right”, authentically defined, to be “hooked up” to you. Such a situation is not equal to the natural process of gestation.
 
No, he isn’t, and when people have to resort to pure fantasy in order to make points in a debate, it’s a sure sign that they’re attempting to justify something that is indefensible.

– Mark L. Chance.
I realized that the analogy is absurdly unlikely, but how is the baby more innocent than the violinist?
 
The violinist has no “right”, authentically defined, to be “hooked up” to you. Such a situation is not equal to the natural process of gestation.
Nice, there’s the answer I was looking for. So the analogy breaks down then, right?
 
Apples to apples - remember, rather than having the right to unplug (which would be a legitimate use of double effect), Thompson has to justify the ability of the patient to jam a steel tube into the violinist’s head, suck out his brains, and crush his skull. Quite frankly, she doesn’t get this job done.

More later.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
Let me guess, she reverts to the rape victim immediately to shift all legal responsibility from the woman? I would in some manner explain that 90% of the women participated willingly in the creation of life, and now only a few request the authority to kill the living person created through their actions.

In the rape case I would point out to her escalation of revenge only results in peace once genocide is completed by one side!, or the side which is prone to genocide submits to the mercy of the victor. Even once the submissive side appeals for mercy genocide may still occur. In the case of a women violently raped a terrible crime has been committed, would killing the baby undo the action? Would an abortion make the woman whole, or will she carry scares? You see the answer is simply no. Lets make this an incest based rape, how many times does it have to reoccur before your teacher would realize it must **all **stop? rape, abort- rape, abort these are not good verse bad, this is bad verses bad and will lead to continued escalation.

I am sorry this is such a harsh post but this is the reality of the misguided view of the teacher. Frankly, the odds are you will not change her mind, but you can if necessary appeal to the dept head for a fair grade on your paper on the subject of abortion. My daughter went through this at Texas State Woman’s University and it was very destructive. I would warn you the teachers defect in this subject of “Women’s Rights” has driven her to find such a job, and is manifested in all aspects of her life, so be careful.
 
To help support her argument, the author of the article I read came up with this analogy, which sort of puts all of the theoretical material that I have outlined above on a more relateable level:

Suppose you find yourself one morning randomly hooked up to a famous violinist whose life depends on your kidneys purifying his blood along with your own. The doctor says to you, “It’s all most distressing, and I deeply sympathize, but you see this is putting an additional strain on your kidneys, and you’ll be dead within a month. But you have to stay where you are all the same. Because unplugging you would be directly killing an innocent violinist, and that’s murder, and that’s impermissible.”

So how would one respond to this one? Because the violinist is just as innocent as a baby would be.
UM there was only ONE woman in History that just woke up pregnant, and even she knew why.
 
UM there was only ONE woman in History that just woke up pregnant, and even she knew why.
Yeah, the analogy in Thompson’s article actually reminded me of the first line of Kafka’s The Metamorphosis:

“As Gregor Samsa woke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself in his bed, transformed into a monstrous insect.”
😃
 
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