Difficulties in moral practice

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So I think that one should be as good as possible. But the problem occurs when you try to use sight as good as possible.In order to use sight morally, you have to make sure it sees only a good thing. But you don’t know the goodness of everything nor do you know about everything anyways. So here I guess you could defer to common opinion to guide the eyes or you could endeavor to know everything or both. What would you say?

There are a host of similar moral problems where because of ignorance, it is difficult to use one’s powers in favor of the good.

Should one give these scenarios up to God? Or another option, a person is not obliged by the impossible and so these being impossible, one wouldn’t be morally responsible for them.

But then, what does impossible mean? Does it mean absolutely impossible -like an object so heavy God couldn’t lift it, or does it mean something possible but right now, beyond the power of the moral actor?
 
But then, what does impossible mean? Does it mean absolutely impossible -like an object so heavy God couldn’t lift it, or does it mean something possible but right now, beyond the power of the moral actor?
Through Christ, what remains impossible and yet matters?
 
That is to say, there are somethings that are both impossible and don’t matter?
 
So I think that one should be as good as possible. But the problem occurs when you try to use sight as good as possible.In order to use sight morally, you have to make sure it sees only a good thing. But you don’t know the goodness of everything nor do you know about everything anyways. So here I guess you could defer to common opinion to guide the eyes or you could endeavor to know everything or both. What would you say?
to use sight morally does not lie in seeing only good(if i am understanding you right), because it only takes stepping outside (sometimes) to witness something immoral,
morality lies in how you handle any given situation, and you can even turn something bad or immoral into something good by how you react to it, such as saying a prayer in reparation for the sin, or making an act of love to God for the hate that He has been shown through the sin,
a human act is either good or bad according as it leads to or detracts a person from their heavenly goal, but we can never do anything good by ourselves, doing good always depends on Gods grace, which we must will in ourselves, we must accept His graces, and many times we must ask for His graces, especially in times of temptation.

but to know everything? that is neither possible nor necessary, we learn and grow during our entire life on earth, you will never stop learning, and you should never become slothful in learning or trying your best,
all God expects from you is to try your best based on what you do know, and He also expects you to make an effort to learn, which He will help and guide you in,
especially after Confirmation, Catholics have a greater obligation to learn their faith, and if you want my advice, the best place to learn about morality and doing good, is in the writings of the saints, such as Saint Alphonsus de Liguori.
“None is good but God alone.” - Luke 18:19, so we rely on God alone to do good…and then what is there to be afraid of except our own selves? we are really our greatest stumbling block, because no matter what happens outside of us, we can be perfectly moral by Gods grace, if only we would will it,
we accept Gods grace in our actions, not in our thoughts(not in them alone anyways)
of course God doesn’t demand that we be perfect right now, He knows and understands more than we do how weak we are, and He is more patient with our sins than our own sinful brother is, so what do we have to fear? all we must do is try our best according to Gods law, which we must do our best to learn His laws and teachings through the church, and then try our best to act according to them.
There are a host of similar moral problems where because of ignorance, it is difficult to use one’s powers in favor of the good.
if someone knows they are ignorant of something, then they must seek to learn what they are ignorant of(to the best of their ability, which is a moral obligation), but if they are oblivious to their own ignorance, then there is nothing they can do about that, although we can pray that God will instruct us in what we are ignorant of, which is why the 2 corporal works of mercy, admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant, are so important.
but as i said, we are not capable of good in and of ourselves, and we have no real power of our own, only God is good and all powerful, and whatever good or power that is in us is from God, so the answer is simply to ask God for His help,
although i know it’s not an easy task, we must work on ourselves diligently every day, by learning our faith, praying, practicing all the virtues, detaching ourselves from the world, creatures, creature comforts, sin, and ourselves, which we do by mortification, and all of that is likewise accomplished by Gods grace.
Should one give these scenarios up to God? Or another option, a person is not obliged by the impossible and so these being impossible, one wouldn’t be morally responsible for them.
we are responsible for our own sins, and the sins we may have prevented in others, but outside of that we are not responsible,
but you might ask, in what way can we prevent the sins in others? well…it’s never a sure thing, we are only responsible for that in what we do, not in what they do, we must only try, which may consist in admonishing or instructing them(which is why we are obligated to learn our faith), or setting a good example for them(as best as we can), or most of all, in praying for them, since neither you nor they can do good except by God, so as much as we must remember to pray for ourselves in doing good, we must pray for others as well…so basically, you do what you can, and that’s all that’s expected of you.
But then, what does impossible mean? Does it mean absolutely impossible -like an object so heavy God couldn’t lift it, or does it mean something possible but right now, beyond the power of the moral actor?
there is no point in worrying over what’s not possible, even if it’s only for you for a short time, the only thing we should worry about is pleasing God, and to act according to what we do know…but why worry over what we cannot do or do not know what to do with? God would not hold you accountable for something like that, provided you are not deceiving yourself with excuses over something you know you could have done.

anyways, if you have more question, or if i’m misunderstanding this completely, i’d be happy to discuss it further…although i’m just curious, is there any particular reason you are asking these things?
 
to use sight morally does not lie in seeing only good(if i am understanding you right), because it only takes stepping outside (sometimes) to witness something immoral,
morality lies in how you handle any given situation, and you can even turn something bad or immoral into something good by how you react to it, such as saying a prayer in reparation for the sin, or making an act of love to God for the hate that He has been shown through the sin,
a human act is either good or bad according as it leads to or detracts a person from their heavenly goal, but we can never do anything good by ourselves, doing good always depends on Gods grace, which we must will in ourselves, we must accept His graces, and many times we must ask for His graces, especially in times of temptation.

but to know everything? that is neither possible nor necessary, we learn and grow during our entire life on earth, you will never stop learning, and you should never become slothful in learning or trying your best,
all God expects from you is to try your best based on what you do know, and He also expects you to make an effort to learn, which He will help and guide you in,
especially after Confirmation, Catholics have a greater obligation to learn their faith, and if you want my advice, the best place to learn about morality and doing good, is in the writings of the saints, such as Saint Alphonsus de Liguori.
“None is good but God alone.” - Luke 18:19, so we rely on God alone to do good…and then what is there to be afraid of except our own selves? we are really our greatest stumbling block, because no matter what happens outside of us, we can be perfectly moral by Gods grace, if only we would will it,
we accept Gods grace in our actions, not in our thoughts(not in them alone anyways)
of course God doesn’t demand that we be perfect right now, He knows and understands more than we do how weak we are, and He is more patient with our sins than our own sinful brother is, so what do we have to fear? all we must do is try our best according to Gods law, which we must do our best to learn His laws and teachings through the church, and then try our best to act according to them.

if someone knows they are ignorant of something, then they must seek to learn what they are ignorant of(to the best of their ability, which is a moral obligation), but if they are oblivious to their own ignorance, then there is nothing they can do about that, although we can pray that God will instruct us in what we are ignorant of, which is why the 2 corporal works of mercy, admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant, are so important.
but as i said, we are not capable of good in and of ourselves, and we have no real power of our own, only God is good and all powerful, and whatever good or power that is in us is from God, so the answer is simply to ask God for His help,
although i know it’s not an easy task, we must work on ourselves diligently every day, by learning our faith, praying, practicing all the virtues, detaching ourselves from the world, creatures, creature comforts, sin, and ourselves, which we do by mortification, and all of that is likewise accomplished by Gods grace.

The only thing I could add to this is that we do have powers by ourselves -powers of reason for instance. Also, we do accomplish good and have merits but these are caused by God. Nonetheless they are our merits.

we are responsible for our own sins, and the sins we may have prevented in others, but outside of that we are not responsible,
but you might ask, in what way can we prevent the sins in others? well…it’s never a sure thing, we are only responsible for that in what we do, not in what they do, we must only try, which may consist in admonishing or instructing them(which is why we are obligated to learn our faith), or setting a good example for them(as best as we can), or most of all, in praying for them, since neither you nor they can do good except by God, so as much as we must remember to pray for ourselves in doing good, we must pray for others as well…so basically, you do what you can, and that’s all that’s expected of you.

there is no point in worrying over what’s not possible, even if it’s only for you for a short time, the only thing we should worry about is pleasing God, and to act according to what we do know…but why worry over what we cannot do or do not know what to do with? God would not hold you accountable for something like that, provided you are not deceiving yourself with excuses over something you know you could have done.

anyways, if you have more question, or if i’m misunderstanding this completely, i’d be happy to discuss it further…although i’m just curious, is there any particular reason you are asking these things?
I asked these questions because supposedly, to be good is the same as to be reasonable -inasmuch as the person who pays attention to God is called wise. So reason and good is not opposed however, this means that where reason can’t go, good can’t go too so I was trying to test those frontiers -something that I have not attended to in awhile & and I wanted to see what others thought these frontiers were.
 
The only thing I could add to this is that we do have powers by ourselves -powers of reason for instance. Also, we do accomplish good and have merits but these are caused by God. Nonetheless they are our merits.

I asked these questions because supposedly, to be good is the same as to be reasonable -inasmuch as the person who pays attention to God is called wise. So reason and good is not opposed however, this means that where reason can’t go, good can’t go too so I was trying to test those frontiers -something that I have not attended to in awhile & and I wanted to see what others thought these frontiers were.
i see, are you getting these concepts from the Summa by any chance? i’m just curious, and if not the Summa, what?

anyways, although we do have a mind of our own, anything good in us is from God, and we only have the “power” to do good by God alone,
ultimately the only thing we can call our own is our free will, even though that also came from God, but it is really the only thing we can truly give to God,
because even reason, which is the process of attaining truth, is still given by God…as we know, many people are not reasonable, and it can be given or taken from you as God sees fit.

although even where it seems there is no good to be found, you also must keep in mind that God does not allow any evil unless some good can come from it, which we must look for, and which is one reason we must accept our sufferings and bear our crosses patiently, because God does bring good out of those things in abundance for both yourself and others.
and even in your faults, God can use them to bring about some good, so nothing is wasted.

but are you asking if being good is impossible without knowing all truth?
well…if that is what you mean, then really the answer is simply in your own disposition of heart, you can be good just by doing whatever you do as well as you can, we should try to learn Gods truth in all things, but in the meantime, as long as you are trying to please God and no one else(according to the teachings of the church of course), and are sincere about it, then you are being good,

i’ve noticed many times in my life, that i would be told what to do, but not why, either from my parents, or priest, or church teachings…and sometimes i wouldn’t listen because i didn’t understand, while other times i would listen without understanding, but later i found out, that God tests us that way, and He does it to give us a chance to be obedient and to trust in Him, He wants us to listen simply because He said so, because He is God, He has our best interest at heart, and we should trust Him…and also to teach us, that not understanding something is never an excuse not to listen.
because often times, after doing something we were told not to do, and later finding out why(many times the hard way) and then kicking ourselves saying “i should have listened!”…

but anyways, when i say that all goodness and all power in us is from God, and all we have is from God, i am referring to the church teaching that we are completely dependent on God in all things, since we can advance or decline in both goodness and reason, so you are dependent on God for those things, and for all things,

well, i guess my next question would be, are you bringing up these question because of personal moral struggles, or just out of curiosity?
 
i see, are you getting these concepts from the Summa by any chance? i’m just curious, and if not the Summa, what?

I guess that I got them from the Summa and from Plato. But honestly Plato is a bit of a stumbling-block for me -ever since I read the Republic it’s been hard for me not to make the perfect the enemy of the good. I sometimes get the impression that I’m chasing some ellusive ideal, an ideal so ellusive that far from uplifting reason it tends to mock and defy it.

well, i guess my next question would be, are you bringing up these question because of personal moral struggles, or just out of curiosity?
I guess I am both curious and personally and morally invested in this. After all the supreme knowable is the supreme desirable and good -and vice versa.
 
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