Dilemma of timeless God and ephemeral creation

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Well, finally you did not use the first alternative of the premise “the universe had a beginning”. Anyway, I guess your argument would be:

If God is timeless, then He does not change.
If the creation of the universe implies change, then God has not created the Universe.

Does it sound correct to you?

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JuanFlorencio
You are very close. But we can even get closer to the problem. Lets assume that God’s mental contents are X and Y, X being absence of creation and Y is presence of creation. God is however in state of timeless meaning that he cannot give an order to his thought, X comes before Y, since that requires time. Hence the very act of creation is impossible for timeless God.
 
You are very close. But we can even get closer to the problem. Lets assume that God’s mental contents are X and Y, X being absence of creation and Y is presence of creation. God is however in state of timeless meaning that he cannot give an order to his thought, X comes before Y, since that requires time. Hence the very act of creation is impossible for timeless God.
You are adding nothing Bahman. The first proposition does not exclude any change.

Now, you just have to describe in an acceptable way what you understand by the word “creation”. Please, say it…

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JuanFlorencio
 
You are adding nothing Bahman. The first proposition does not exclude any change.

Now, you just have to describe in an acceptable way what you understand by the word “creation”. Please, say it…

Best regards
JuanFlorencio
Well, I do think that consciousness is primary hence it cannot be created, hence the very act of creation is equal to a command of consciousness/persona to subconsciousness, the command is then executed by subconsciousness and the act of creation is then performed with unconsciousness.
 
I need to add:

Consciousness=Persona.
Subconsciousness=Omniscient.
Unconsciousness=Omnipotent.
 
Well, I do think that consciousness is primary hence it cannot be created, hence the very act of creation is equal to a command of consciousness/persona to subconsciousness, the command is then executed by subconsciousness and the act of creation is then performed with unconsciousness.
You were talking about a timeless God, Bahman. What is the relation between the timeless God and this stuff that you are talking now.
 
You were talking about a timeless God, Bahman. What is the relation between the timeless God and this stuff that you are talking now.
You asked for the act of creation. I think we agreed that timeless God is nonsense.
 
You asked for the act of creation. I think we agreed that timeless God is nonsense.
Actually, I was asking you to define “creation” in an acceptable way in order to see if your argument concludes or not. But instead of it you took to opportunity to introduce your doctrines about conscience. And now you would like to conclude that the timeless God that you conceived before is nonsense!

Good bye, Bahman!
JuanFlorencio
 
Actually, I was asking you to define “creation” in an acceptable way in order to see if your argument concludes or not. But instead of it you took to opportunity to introduce your doctrines about conscience. And now you would like to conclude that the timeless God that you conceived before is nonsense!

Good bye, Bahman!
JuanFlorencio
To create in my dictionary is equal to producing illusion out of nothing.
 
Can timeless exist and something lasting for a very short time exist?

I guess the question becomes what exists in timelessness and what does it have the potential to do?
 
Time is a measurement, it needs a known reference to mean anything? If so at what point could we begin the measure of eternity?

We measure time by the speed of light still far as I know. Where did the speed and the light come from?
 
Timeless can exist. What do you mean with something?

Timeless just have potential to do one thing.
As far as I see everyone uses the General Theory of Relativity which relates back to E=MC2, the latter models admit they have to re-calculate to deviate the further concept of Quantum Gravity which further admits on-going energy-matter. They avoided any reference point and started a new north, north of north. Which avoids any question of existence.

Least as I am hearing 🙂
 
Time is cognitive.
So how is cognitive used, with and without activity, which is predicated on a timeless paradigm or one with time. You can’t have activity and not have activity together. You can’t have potential inactive and active at the same time.
 
So how is cognitive used, with and without activity, which is predicated on a timeless paradigm or one with time. You can’t have activity and not have activity together. You can’t have potential inactive and active at the same time.
The very act of existence is equal to performing the only one act.
 
The very act of existence is equal to performing the only one act.
So your arguing for activity on an eternal time line? So something existed eternally with the ability to act or not?
 
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