Dilemma with a transgender patient

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Why is his/her soul going to be lost if he/she is deluded? Transgender people aren’t evil; they’re just mistaken.

That you think this would be the appropriate time to try to force the issue is…bizarre.
 
YOU nor the caregiver can save anyones soul…
Her job is to provide professional healthcare to the patient. Not to proselytize. And as a health care provider you do not agitate nor exacerbate your patient by upsetting them emotionally.
 
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Actually, it’s the confirmed Catholic’s moral responsibility to do everything one can to bring souls closer to Christ.

It’s a moral imperative that supercedes any civil law.

Now, the trick is to do it with creativity, all virtue, within the bounds of other laws, professional ethics.

Apostolate needs to be constant…like a modern saint said…"like the beating of a heart’.

We might do it with words, we might do it with prayers, and smiles, and especially “well done” care of the sick, but it needs to be the REASON why we work, why we do anything…to co-redeem with God. We are His instruments of salvation.
 
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BlueMaxx said:
YOU nor the caregiver can save anyones soul…
Her job is to provide professional healthcare to the patient. Not to proselytize. And as a health care provider you do not agitate nor exacerbate your patient by upsetting them emotionally.
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Huh? They can be led to repentance. God will always be the final judge.
 
buffalo said:
The patient will confront Reality Himself very soon. Would it be better to try and save the soul or just let it languish?
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This is the OP’s dilemma. When and under what conditions does one have an obligation to give fraternal correction?

We can give the OP advice but the OP must make the moral decision.

http://escriva.org/docs/fraternal-correction.pdf
Because it [fraternal correction] is an admonishment with a supernatural purpose – the holiness of the person corrected – the person giving the correction should discern in the presence of God whether the correction is opportune, and the most prudent way to give it (the best time, the appropriate words, etc.) to avoid humiliating the person being corrected. Asking the Holy Spirit for light, and praying for the person we are going to correct, helps foster the supernatural atmosphere that is necessary for the correction to be effective.
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I’m not understanding why you think someone in the grips of a delusion is sinning by being confused.
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Speak to the soul. We do not know what the interior soul responds to despite the outward perception of confusion, etc.

If they are confused why should it matter than if you call them by their biological birth name?
 
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If they are confused why should it matter than if you call them by their biological birth name?
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It’s just a very tangential issue to focus on when someone is in their last extremity. If someone preferred a nickname, I wouldn’t spend their last hours on earth needling them by calling them their legal name. It just seems petty and childish and cruel.

Now is the time to hope they ask for Gods mercy and embrace Gods love, not try to address their gender identity issues.
 
You don’t have to refer to them by name or pronoun, just begin speaking to them.
 
o_mlly said:
This is the OP’s dilemma. When and under what conditions does one have an obligation to give fraternal correction?
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When someone asks you for your opinion.

You would not like for someone to tell you you’re living your life wrong and attempt to “correct” you.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
When someone asks you for your opinion.

You would not like for someone to tell you you’re living your life wrong and attempt to “correct” you.
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Suggest you study Jewish Wisdom literature on fraternal correction to get your answer: Proverbs 10:11.
 
You are off-topic, and I have an MA in Theology anyway, so no more “suggestions” are necessary or wanted. Have studied the Tanakh, in the original Hebrew, in Israel, with rabbis.
 
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If I am about to electrocute myself…you better believe I would appreciate it if someone told me I am in danger, even if my pride and vanity barked when they told me.

We can’t let jeering and so forth stop us from helping souls. Jesus didn’t.
 
Of course if you’re in physical danger someone is going to tell you! And they should! But the other poster was setting herself up as a judge of souls, and only G-d can judge a soul. The Catholic church agrees with that, teaches that.

As for Jesus, I am Jewish, so his actions are irrelevant to me.
 
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Well I am not sure he/she said they were really judging souls…as in final state.

We need to make judgements…it’s in the Gospel. Our Lord in fact used the expression (“rebuke the sinner” in St Luke’s Gospel, which was part of yesterday’s Mass (“If your brother sins, rebuke him”).

We must use the words/commandments that Our Lord gave us, we must also use our intellect, our own reasoning capability (which was designed by God to make judgments about moral and other matters), use the virtues that God gave us to develop on our own (prudence, justice, temperance, fortitude), in order to bring all souls to Him!!
 
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Of course, not but we are co-redeemers…we assist God in saving souls to be sure. It’s part of Catholic teaching.

We are instruments…to do what? To bring all souls to Him.

The lay share in what the Church calls “the common priesthood”.

We help God save souls, to be sure. He gives us this dignity.
 
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He told us to take up our Cross daily! (daily).

Listen to the words He told Peter in St John’s gospel. We share intimately in His salvific and ongoing redemption of the world. How marvelous and grand a vocation is!
 
Edward_H said:
Well I am not sure he/she said they were really judging souls…as in final state.
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I’m sure.

And, as I said, the words and actions of Jesus carry no weight with me personally, though I respect him as a child of G-d. I realize how important he is to Christians, but as I said above, no one on this board is who Jesus claimed to be. No one on this board can speak with his authority. Christians are all sinners. (I do not mean non-Christians are perfect, they aren’t, but we do not believe in original sin.)
 
Authority doesn’t stem from our sinlessness. That’s an error.

Do you ignore a doctor because she’s fat and smokes?
 
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