Dinosaurs and the Flood

[Freddy]

Freddy:

I don’t think that you have a sufficient grasp of evolution, taxonomy or the rate of technological advancement for a reasonable discussion to occur

At what stage did God create man in his image? 300,000 years ago? This is a perfectly reasonable question. Your unwillingness to answer it suggests perhaps that you are unsure of or insecure in your beliefs.

I don’t believe in God. The question makes no sense to me.

 

[whatistrue]

What a scintillating and convincing argument that completely fails to be.

A few points…

If you are going to make an argument from ridicule, which you really shouldn’t but that’s a different discussion, then it would behoove you to understand what you are ridiculing. Anthropology and Evolutionary Biology are not the same thing.

A gratuitous assertion, for example a simple statement of “nonsense” with absolutely no supporting evidence, can be just as gratuitously denied.

The theory of evolution is no more “Darwinism” than modern calculus is “Newtonism”.

That is all from me for now as I have important personal business to attend to for the remainder of the day.

 

[Rau]

Do you mean that the literal interpretation of the genesis story is not compatible with scientific history? My understanding is that when we allow the creation scriptures to be allegorical, that allows scripture and science to coexist.

When genesis is read as allegory, not history, there is no problem. That’s why I referred to “genesis history”.

 

[Rau]

If humans have been around for 300,000 years, why did they invent writing and the wheel only about 5500 years ago?

Is it your assertion that early humans immediately had language and writing? Why not manufacturing & calculus also?

when did God create man in his own image?

Don’t know. I’m not sure what “in his own image” means. I thought we were talking about the first humans - you know - same species as us. After all, that’s what science is addressing, and it’s assessment is what you are ridiculing (without any evidence).

 

[Rau]

The fact that writing, the wheel, metallurgy and sailing boats didn’t appear until only about 5000-6000 years ago strongly suggests humans are nothing like 300,000 years old.

If 5-6000 years is about right, what does this tell you about the timing of the earliest of our species? Please explain the reasoning.

 

[buffalo]

Literally nothing went right in Vinland and pretty much everything did for Columbus.

Except the Caribes who were cannibals…

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Guess who Columbus didn’t come into contact with?

 

[buffalo]

I don’t think that you have a sufficient grasp of evolution, taxonomy or the rate of technological advancement for a reasonable discussion to occur.

It seems no one understands evolution except evo proponents. Curious…

 

[buffalo]

scientific history of early humans can’t be reconciled.

The mitochondrial clock is in need of calibration.

 

[Gorgias]

It’s already been answered. You chose to ignore the answer. Why ask the same question?

Apparently, it takes 300,000 years to hear and understand the answer.

The fact that writing, the wheel, metallurgy and sailing boats didn’t appear until only about 5000-6000 years ago strongly suggests humans are nothing like 300,000 years old.

No, it strongly suggests that proto-humans were far too busy trying to gather food while looking out for dangerous predators who were intent on eating them, to have time to invent new tools. It’s kinda hard to incapacitate a sabertooth tiger with a wheel.

At what stage did God create man in his image?

Science cannot answer this question, since it’s a question of ensoulment, which science cannot measure.

But a human made in image of God was not a moronic ape-man, but an intelligent being.

You’re presuming that the first hominin was made directly by God. That’s quite a presumption!

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

I don’t think that you have a sufficient grasp of evolution, taxonomy or the rate of technological advancement for a reasonable discussion to occur.

It seems no one understands evolution except evo proponents. Curious…

No, Meyer knows that it’s occured over billions of years. He understands it. He’s quite an expert on it. He would find your arguments nonsensical, but you do insist on linking to what he says. Go figure.

You’re like someone quoting Buzz Aldrin to support a flat earth.

 

[buffalo]

No, Meyer knows that it’s occured over billions of years. He understands it. He’s quite an expert on it. He would find your arguments nonsensical, but you do insist on linking to what he says. Go figure.

You’re like someone quoting Buzz Aldrin to support a flat earth.

ID, whether it happened over thousands or billions. is still design. Go figure.

Are you now in the design camp as long as it took a long time?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

No, Meyer knows that it’s occured over billions of years. He understands it. He’s quite an expert on it. He would find your arguments nonsensical, but you do insist on linking to what he says. Go figure.

You’re like someone quoting Buzz Aldrin to support a flat earth.

ID, whether it happened over thousands or billions. is still design. Go figure.

Are you now in the design camp as long as it took a long time?

What nonsense. ID if it happened over billions of years would be an integral part of evolution. It includes common ancestory and bacteria to man and everything else that you reject. It’s like you’re a flat earther saying that if the earth is flat or round it was still designed by God and then aligning yourself with Buzz and claiming that you’re both arguing the same thing.

 

[buffalo]

What nonsense. ID if it happened over billions of years would be an integral part of evolution.

To be clear then, you reject any form of intelligence over a long time.

The problem you have is that if an integral part of evolution means it is purposeful. So, it just can’t be.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

What nonsense. ID if it happened over billions of years would be an integral part of evolution.

To be clear then, you reject any form of intelligence over a long time.

The problem you have is that if an integral part of evolution means it is purposeful. So, it just can’t be.

Well done, Buff. But strange that it’s taken you a couple of years to realise that.

 

[buffalo]

Well done, Buff. But strange that it’s taken you a couple of years to realise that.

Maybe you got current, but I guess not.

 

[JimG]

You’re presuming that the first hominin was made directly by God. That’s quite a presumption!

I’m thinking that the first humans were made diectly by God, but not the first hominids, at least as it pertains to ensoulment.

 

[JimG]

What was the purpose of dinosaurs? I’m not claiming that God could not have used pre-humans as building blocks. But humans have souls, which have to be made directly by God, because souls don’t evolve and don’t arise from evolution.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

The laws of the Universe were tailored to give rise to us, and dinosaurs were a consequence of that.

 

[njlisa]

We know from radiocarbon dating that dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago. Great apes and humans share a common ancestor. Modern Homo sapiens have been traced to 200,000 years ago.

The bottom line is that humans and dinosaurs didn’t exist at the same time.