Dinosaurs and the Flood

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Buzzard3 said:
Devastating logic, my friend. I mean, of what use would advanced tools and a wheel would be to anyone … or writing, or a boat, or metallurgy …? Why invent a spear or bow-and-arrow when you can throw a rock? Why invent a metal sword when you’ve got a stick?
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Oh, heck! Let’s go a step further, shall we? Wouldn’t an iPhone or an atomic bomb have been of use? Of course! So what’s wrong with those silly early hominins? Why didn’t they get on the stick and make an iPhone for crying out loud?!?!?

Your “devastating logic” only devastates the case you’re attempting to build, I’m afraid. The fact that things happened in the way (and on the timeline) that they did doesn’t disprove that they happened the way they did, as you apparently hope to assert.
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Buzzard3 said:
My belief is that God created man in his own image not long before boats, writing, the wheel and metallurgy were invented … so no longer than 15, 000 years ago (assuming the accepted date of the first known boats - 10,000 ya - is correct).
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Good on ya. The Church doesn’t require that belief, nor does it condemn the opposing belief.
Buzzard3 said:
so no longer than 15, 000 years ago (assuming the accepted date of the first known boats - 10,000 ya - is correct).
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Be careful… you’re stepping into “god of the gaps” territory there, my friend! If we find something that occurred 15,000 or 20,000 years ago, you’ll find yourself in the position to be required to say "well… maybe not 15,000 years ago; maybe 25,000… or 35,000… or…
Buzzard3 said:
the author, Gunter Bechly, is a world-renowned paleontologist who
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…who is now employed by a foundation devoted to ID. So much for impartiality, eh?
Buzzard3 said:
Jesus created a man instantly from inanimate matter when he raised Lazarus from the dead
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No. He reanimated a dead body. “Reanimation” =/= “creation”.
 
Doesn’t matter if I want a yardstick to measure 2 feet. If it’s 1 foot, it’s 1 foot. You can’t bias your tools into saying something they don’t. If you honestly think differently, there’s a severe lack of understanding of how scientific tools work.
 
buffalo said:
Evolution is not empirical science. Empirical science is observable, predictable and repeatable.
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Oh, so those studies where they’ve observed, predicted, and repeated the speciation of fruit flies and bacteria and all manner of other life never happened? Including the ones we keep citing?
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Oh, so those studies where they’ve observed, predicted, and repeated the speciation of fruit flies and bacteria and all manner of other life never happened? Including the ones we keep citing?
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The fruit flies that had useless extra wings and such? Are you claiming these are new species?

What bacterial experiment are you referring to?
 
buffalo said:
The fruit flies that had useless extra wings and such? Are you claiming these are new species?
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This is just a flat-out lie. They had no such things.

I see no reason to continue this conversation any longer if you continue to ignore the truth for your own version of reality that supports your view.
 
It’s not my job to find the study you’re claiming resulted in those events.

Welcome to the ignore bucket!
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
We know it wasn’t.
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Stop talking nonsense - we don’t “know”.
Sea levels were much higher 600k years ago
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Homo erectus existed from 1.8Ma to about 70,000 years ago, so sea levels at the juncture of 600,000 years ago would seem to be irrelevant to your argument.

… as the planet itself was warmer (a conclusion derived from various sources, like crystal growth patterns, stalagmites, and tree rings). Sea levels reached their present position 35k years ago after falling continously for a large period of time, and continued that fall until 15k years ago, when it finally began to increase. Based on these pieces of evidence, archeologists have concluded that the islands were too separated for travel without boats.
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Speculation - at best. How much “higher” were sea levels 600,000 years ago? One inch? One foot? Three feet? Ten feet? No one knows, they can only guess. Theories that are based on guesswork have a name - junk science.

How do they know Bali and Flores were not part of one land mass at some point during the time Homo erectus existed? Indonesia is one of the most tectonically and volcanically unstable regions in the world, so to claim to know what the geographical relationship between Bali and Flores was like millions to hundreds of thousands of years ago sounds like the hot-air of a bs-artist to me.

Typical of Darwinist folklore, your argument is full of gross uncertainties and is therefore too weak to take seriously.
Once again, dismissal of science without providing an alternative means you’ve done nothing to advance human knowledge.
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I’m so, so sorry.
 
“Rau said:
40,000 years ago, the Australian aborigines (human beings) roamed around Australia. Did they have or did they not have souls until 5-10000 years ago as another poster says the Bible requires?
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I seriously suspect that humans have not been on the planet for anything like 40,000 years.
 
Buzzard3 said:
Homo erectus existed from 1.8Ma to about 70,000 years ago, so sea levels at the juncture of 600,000 years ago would seem to be irrelevant to your argument.
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The remains have been dated to around 600k years ago.
Buzzard3 said:
Speculation - at best. How much “higher” were sea levels 600,000 years ago? One inch? One foot? Three feet? Ten feet? No one knows, they can only guess.
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Completely false. We know how water works and ice melts. We know what amount of polar ice would exist at a given temperature. Using this amount of polar ice, we can determine with certainty the geography of the world at that time.
Buzzard3 said:
How do they know Bali and Flores were not part of one land mass at some point during the time Homo erectus existed? Indonesia is one of the most tectonically and volcanically unstable regions in the world, so to claim to know what the geographical relationship between Bali and Flores was like millions to hundreds of thousands of years ago sounds like the hot-air of a bs-artist to me.
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Volcanic activity grows land. It does not shrink it. Volcanic activity is not a supportive piece of evidence for your claim.

Your flippant dismissal doesn’t help your case. If you actually want to learn, stop talking about “darwinist folklore.” If you don’t want to learn, then I’m not going to waste any more time on someone who already has their mind made up.
 
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Gorgias said:
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Buzzard3:
so no longer than 15, 000 years ago (assuming the accepted date of the first known boats - 10,000 ya - is correct).
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Be careful… you’re stepping into “god of the gaps” territory there, my friend! If we find something that occurred 15,000 or 20,000 years ago, you’ll find yourself in the position to be required to say "well… maybe not 15,000 years ago; maybe 25,000… or 35,000… or…
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That won’t happen. If we point out something that dates human activity to to a hundred thousand years ago then ‘the dating technique is flawed’.

Buffalo doesn’t even have a dating technique that’s relevant for dates of a even a few hundred thousand years. Because…wait for it…nothing existed that far back.
 
Gorgias said:
No. He reanimated a dead body. “Reanimation” =/= “creation
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When Lazarus died his body immediately became inanimate matter - as inanimate as dust. When Jesus raised him from the dead he, in effect, instantly created a living human being from inanimate matter, just as Gen 2:7 says God created Adam from “dust”.
 
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