Dinosaurs...

  • Thread starter Thread starter You
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
A_G said:
Dinosaurs went extint around 65 million years ago. This happened before the creation of Adam and Eve, and therefore man and dinosaur did not coexist.

Science and the Catholicism are not at war, and science points to the earth being billions of years old. God created man and beasts on the sixth day of creation. The Catholic Church allows us to believe in either a literal six 24-hour days of creation, OR, a symbolic six day creation where each one of those days represent a longer period of time. I personally believe in the latter to be true.
Click to expand...
Yes I’m aware of all this. But how do we, on a practical level, know they did not co-exist?
 
Catholic90 said:
If I get up at 6 am, drink a cup of coffee, and place my used cup by the sink, and leave for work, and then my son gets up at noon, drinks a cup of coffee and by some miracle places his used cup by the sink, did we drink our coffee together? No!
…

Dinosaurs and humans did not live at the same time. Our school system is really failing…
Click to expand...
But what if your son and you lived on different continents and on the strength of that fact alone the expert tells you you did not put down your cups on the sink simultaneously, just because he cannot see the cups together, side by side?
 
You said:
Yes I’m aware of all this. But how do we, on a practical level, know they did not co-exist?
Click to expand...
Logically, one cannot prove a “negative”. Dinosaurs do not coexist with humans now. Human history records no time in which they did. The burden is on those who assert that they did coexist to prove it.
 
StAnastasia said:
In truth, the earliest primates developed 50-55 million years ago.
Click to expand...
I’d appreciate your source; I should have clarified that I was noting hominids, not just primates. That number does seem to jump between 2.4 to 4.4 million years, depending on who wants to claim the oldest find.
 
nonanon said:
Logically, one cannot prove a “negative”. Dinosaurs do not coexist with humans now. Human history records no time in which they did. The burden is on those who assert that they did coexist to prove it.
Click to expand...
I don’t think anything in the real, physical, world is ever that absolutely hopeless. There must be parallel veins of enquiry somewhere…
 
You said:
I don’t think anything in the real, physical, world is ever that absolutely hopeless. There must be parallel veins of enquiry somewhere…
Click to expand...
This is simple logic.

There are no human observations of dinosaurs ever coexisting with humans. Those who assert as fact that dinosaurs and humans coexisted have the burden of proving it.
 
nonanon said:
This is simple logic.

There are no human observations of dinosaurs ever coexisting with humans. Those who assert as fact that dinosaurs and humans coexisted have the burden of proving it.
Click to expand...
Not if they are not asserting they ever met!
 
nonanon said:
This is simple logic.

There are no human observations of dinosaurs ever coexisting with humans. Those who assert as fact that dinosaurs and humans coexisted have the burden of proving it.
Click to expand...
Then logically people that assert they did not should likewise accept the burden of proving that. Correct?

Seems the best course is to simply lay the facts on the table and let the chips fall where they may.
 
vz71 said:
Then logically people that assert they did not should likewise accept the burden of proving that. Correct?

Seems the best course is to simply lay the facts on the table and let the chips fall where they may.
Click to expand...
No, it’s logically impossible to prove a “negative”. As things stand now, dinosaurs have never been observed to coexist with humans. Logically, absent any contrary evidence at all, why should we assume that this was ever different? Especially since it’s already been accepted that the fossil record gives no support to the idea that dinosaurs and humans coexisted.
 
nonanon said:
No, they’ve got the burden of proof even for “invisible” dinosaurs. 😉
Click to expand...
This means both our evidence has equal weight. Your dinosaurs did not see my people and my people did not see your dinosaurs. This just means that for some unknown reason neither could see the other.
 
You said:
Its not very scientific though. Many creatures lived simultaneously but on different continents.
Click to expand...
There is no evidence in the fossil record that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time on the same continent or different continents.
 
You said:
This means both our evidence has equal weight. Your dinosaurs did not see my people and my people did not see your dinosaurs. This just means that for some unknown reason neither could see the other.
Click to expand...
No, the default condition is the situation today and throughout recorded human history–no coexistence of humans and dinosaurs. The “unseen dinosaur” hypothesis requires proof.
 
60,000,000 years is a long time ago!

It is taken on belief that a footprint could last 60,000,000 years.

It is a belief. It could happen, I guess. But it is belief.

Erosion and just plain old deterioration is enough to destroy the footprint, fossil or not. We just do not know. So deterioration, in my judgement is more logical.

Also, it is a belief that photons could travel through space for 15,000,000,000 years and arrive here on earth. It could happen, I guess, but it is a belief.

Analogy, I could have a theory about how to build a building 60,000 stories high. It is merely a hope and belief before I do it. All of my math, science and technology could be perfect–but you got to see it done first. Otherwise it is a priori.

There are many things that we humans do not know how to explain. Our ideas of explaining are quit often a priori. This is what the atheist says about the demonstrations for God.

Also, if a scientist actually did figure out things such as the Big Bang, the rest of us would have to believe her. We would believe. She would know. The same is true with footprints in the sand.
 
nonanon said:
Logically, absent any contrary evidence at all, why should we assume that this was ever different?
Click to expand...
We shouldn’t.

But we likewise should refrain from a positive assertion not directly proveable.
Particularly in a very heated topic such as evolution and religion.

In this case, it is far better to simply state what the evidence says then try to interpret it for someone.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top