Diocese of Rockville Centre rejects gay ex-eucharistic minister's reinstatement request

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"Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A.person should examine himself,and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying. 1 Cor 11:27-30
 
Also not persistent, obstinate or public. Read the canons. Voting is secret - how do you expect to ferret out those evil Obama-voters?
They are often very proud of their stance so not hard to ferret out at all. However this is not so much regarding Obama as “Catholic” politicians who speak publically about their own heretical views and then march up for Communion as if this were not an issue.

FWIW I consider Nancy Pelosi persistant, obstinate and very public as she promotes abortion.

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Yes. Politicians who support, promote, fight for abortion and other types of immorality are in a whole different class from those who vote for them.
 
Sure lets ban Catholics who work for Planned Parenthood from Communion or who give a donation to them. Let’s also deny communion to those who voted for Pres. Obama for starters!!
No, let’s start a women’s reproductive rights group in the parish, and request or demand that a percentage of the weekly collection goes to our ministry. We can advocate for reasonableness in abortion decisions (rape, incest, financial hardship), support women who have decided to have an abortion with compassion, help them fill out the paperwork, give them a ride to and from the clinic, and raise funds with a Church Bingo night to support all the good that planned parenthood does in providing counseling and operating clean and well equipped medical facilities. The days of back room abortions is over.

And let’s also start a kid’s essay contest in our parish school to see which child can come up with the best reasons to justify voting for a President or Congressman who openly supports abortion, especially by their actions, such as voting for late-term abortion bills. Surely, there are ample issues to counterbalance a solitary issue. Our kids need to be trained how to conscientiously circumvent the Church’s old-fashioned mentality so that they are prepared to enter the real world in their parents’ footsteps.

YMMV, I hope.

PS-- I interpreted JMJSHJ’s remarks as sarcasm, but if they were not, my reply will not make sense. DId I read you right, JMJSHJ?
 
Sure lets ban Catholics who work for Planned Parenthood from Communion or who give a donation to them. Let’s also deny communion to those who voted for Pres. Obama for starters!!
It’s called examination of conscience for a reason. You need to do it and understand what is a mortal sin. All of the above could qualify as things that prevent you from receiving the Eucharist. Catholic Answers has a voting guide called the 5 Non-Negotiables and the 5 are
  1. Abortion
  2. Euthanasia
  3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research
  4. Human Cloning
  5. So Called Homosexual Marriage
As Catholics we are not to support any of these things at all! Supporting any of these causes is in direct conflict with the teaching of the Catholic Church. Supporting a politician who is Pro-Abortion when there is a more Pro-Life candidate available can be considered a mortal sin.

As you have pointed out working for PP is out if you’re Catholic, as well as writing them a check. You’re actively participating in evil.
So if you’re aware that its against Church teaching and you do it anyway then you have committed a Mortal Sin and have removed yourself from receiving our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, You’re not in communion with God or the CC.
If I have misread your post I apologize, it’s kind of late.
 
I follow the Catholic Church, thank you very much. In this article, if we can get past this particular agenda, we find that it is not the number of lay people giving communion that Bishop Murphy addressed, but that this particular man was performing this task and was living an active and public homosexual lifestyle. Therefore, your solution is not relevant, as the bishop in question did not object to the practice that you do not like. This thread is not about the topic you raised.
Well, I thought the point was: if lay people were not allowed and encouraged to be EM, the pastor and bishop would not be put in the difficult position of having to publicly “fire” someone… which would help in terms of the negative press coverage of these events.

When I read these articles in the mainstream press, I just get so upset because neither the journalists nor the majority of readers has any context for the events. They don’t know what the Church REALLY teaches…they just simplify it down to soundbites. And it DOES make us look like intolerant and “mean” old-fashioned fuddy-duddies.

I had a conversation with some non-Catholic friends and the subject came up…so I told them about WHY the Church teaches that homosexual sex is sinful, and that we don’t believe it is sinful to BE gay - but that the rules are the same for anyone - that sex is supposed to be unitive and procreative which gay sex can NEVER be, and that “marriage” has to be between a man and a woman for the same reason, and that unmarried straight people who engage in sex are sinning in the same way.

In other words: the rules are the same for everyone…but that doesn’t mean that it’s “fair” on an individual basis. Rather, people have different crosses to bear.

I gave the example of a person whose spouse leaves them, divorces them, who is not eligible for annulment…that person, blameless as they may be, can never have a sacramental marriage again. So that’s not fair…but it is what it is.

Our society is all about fairness, but the Church isn’t…it can’t be really. And therein lies the problem.

Also, in this particular diocese, the Bishop is widely dislike for the part he played in the pedophile priest cover-ups in Massachusetts. And that’s a problem, because people love to point out the “hypocrisy” of it. Not that it makes it OK - 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but still, it gives people a finger to point. It saddens me that this Bishop doesn’t see that he has ceded his moral authority, and has not stepped down. But that’s just my opinion, YMMV.
 
I’m not even sure why the guy in question wants to continue going to Church, if he’s openly against what it teaches. :confused: Tempter tantrum, methinks?
 
Also not persistent, obstinate or public. Read the canons. Voting is secret - how do you expect to ferret out those evil Obama-voters?
:newidea: Lie detectors!

Get out the thumb screws, boys! Mann the rack, the wheel and the garote! We need to fire up this rusty old equipment! :eek:
 
I’m not even sure why the guy in question wants to continue going to Church, if he’s openly against what it teaches. :confused: Tempter tantrum, methinks?
Probably the same reason Barbara Johnson demanded Holy Communion from Fr. Marcel Guarnizo. To trip up the Church, create a media firestorm (we’re helping with that) and “prove” that the Church hierarchy is full of old men in dresses who are desperately out of touch with the times and need to get with the program (forced acceptance of immorality and population control) or else they will wield the secular majority and the federal government against us.
 
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