Dioceses accepting "older vocations"....any suggestions?

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You could try the Diocese of Rochester.

We will be ordaining a 50 year old priest in June (althougth is is a “special case”- he is a married, former Protestant minister), and there are, from my recollection, at least one or 2 in the discernment program that are in their 50’s.
 
So far I’ve contacted about 90% of the Catholic dioceses in the USA. The “acceptance policies” are made up by the bishop or archbishop of each diocese.

From what I’ve seen so far, dioceses that used to accept an occasional ‘late vocation’ in the past – now no longer do so. They offer excuses like…“Our diocesan policy is not to consider anyone over 45.” or “A candidate must have lived within our diocese at least 2 years.” or “Can you pay anything toward your seminary education?” or “How do you plan to provide for your retirement?” or “How will you provide for your healthcare?”

Almost never did I hear…**“What leads you to feel that God is calling you to the priesthood?”
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It was explained to me by the vocations director of one of the seminaries that used to process “older men” that each year a man serves as a priest he contributes towards his retirement fund. He suggested that dioceses probably do not want to process older candidates because they would not be able to contribute very much toward their retirement funds. It’s a matter of economics.
 
Have you ever thought of joining a religious order as a brother (i.e. monk or friar)? A lot of orders accept older applicants. 🙂
 
Yes, CatholicFireman, I have. I’ve already gone on a “Come and See” retreat in Huntsville, UT, at Our Lady of the Holy Trinity Monastery (Cistercians). I really liked their lifestyle very much, and I could picture myself living that kind of vocation the rest of my life.

The problem was – as it is with most other religious orders – that in order to ‘enter’ you would have to enter as a brother. And you may end up remaining a brother the rest of your life. Only if the abbot decides that he needs another priest in the order would you stand even a chance of being chosen for that vocation. Maybe the monk next to you would be chosen instead.

I have to follow where God is leading me…and that is to the priesthood. If I felt that God was leading me to the deaconate or brotherhood…I would not even be looking at the priesthood as a possible vocation. But, after many years of denial God has finally gotten my ear, and I’m determined to give it the best shot that I can.

I only have a few more USA dioceses to contact, then I’ll have to start on the religious orders. Hopefully I can find a few that have a priestly track.
 
Hello Fellow Catholics,

I am a 57 years old ‘cradle-Catholic’, am finally debt-free, and am able to follow God’s calling for me to enter the priesthood of the Catholic Church. I am certain of this calling. However, all of the dioceses that I’ve inquired into so far have told me that I’m too old. Almost all of them have lowered their maximum seminary entry age to 35-45 yrs. old.

I’ve even made inquiries to the three major seminaries that used to specialize in ‘older vocations’ – Sacred Heart in Hales Corners, WI; Holy Apostles in Cromwell, CT; and Pope John XXIII in Boston. All three of their vocations directors have told me that they did not know of any dioceses that were still processing ‘older’ or ‘second career’ vocations anymore.

Do any of you know of a diocese that I might try?

(your suggestions would be most gratefully appreciated!)

God bless you all,
John
Archdiocese of Hartford…they’ve accepted men in their late 60’s. Hope this helps! God Bless!
 
Have you ever thought of joining a religious order as a brother (i.e. monk or friar)? A lot of orders accept older applicants. 🙂
Yes, CatholicFireman, I have. I’ve already gone on a “Come and See” retreat in Huntsville, UT, at Our Lady of the Holy Trinity Monastery (Cistercians). I really liked their lifestyle very much, and I could picture myself living that kind of vocation the rest of my life.

The problem was – as it is with most other religious orders – that in order to ‘enter’ you would have to enter as a brother. And you may end up remaining a brother the rest of your life. Only if the abbot decides that he needs another priest in the order would you stand even a chance of being chosen for that vocation. Maybe the monk next to you would be chosen instead.

I have to follow where God is leading me…and that is to the priesthood. If I felt that God was leading me to the diaconate or brotherhood…I would not even be looking at the priesthood as a possible vocation. But, after many years of denial God has finally gotten my ear, and I’m determined to give it the best shot that I can.

I only have a few more USA dioceses to contact, then I’ll have to start on the religious orders. Hopefully I can find a few that have a priestly track.
That’s not a fair recommendation. A brother is a consecrated religious. One enters a religious community because God calls us to consecrate our lives to him through the vows within a religious family. It is not a second choice if you cannot become a priest. No religious community will accept a man who says, “I came because I can’t be a priest.” That’s not a good reason to be a religious.

There also seems to be a misunderstanding here about what friars and monks are. Many friars and monks are priests. They remain friars or monks for the rest of their lives. Their life is no different from that of the friar or monk who is not a priest. What is different is their ministry. They serve their brothers through the priesthood. But their daily life is exactly the same.

Additionally, religious communities of brothers, such as the Christian Brothers, Alexians, Mari st, and others also have age limits, because their formation programs are usually very long. In some cases, their formation programs are longer than those for the priesthood. It takes longer to become a fully professed Christian Brother than to become a diocesan priest. If one has an undergraduate degree, one can easily become a diocesan priest in 5 to 6 years.

It may sound cold when a diocesan vocation director asks an older applicant about retirement plans, but the truth is that dioceses have to deal with economic realities. A Diocesan priest is not a consecrated man. He is a secular man. When these priests and deacons reach the mandatory retirement age, they must have an income and a place to live. In many dioceses, retired priests are in residence at rectories that have the space. But the priest must have an income, medical coverage and resources should he ever need to be cared for.

In a religious community, there is no such thing as retirement. You work until you can no longer do so. There is no mandatory age of retirement. When you get too old to do one line of work, you do another. Eventually, if you’re too old to do any work, you live with your community. The community cares for you until you die. If you need special care, such as skilled nursing, it is the moral obligation of the community to provide it. Some communities have their own facilities and other communities use Catholic facilities that allow us to spend as much time as we need with our brothers or sisters. In any case, finances are a real issue. Like any family, a diocese or a religious community must take an honest inventory of what they can promise to provide.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Brother, of late you have been been reading into my posts waaaay too much. I don’t know what the deal is, but I was simply trying to help a fellow out. He looks like he has the zeal for the religious life, but I’m not vocations director.

I’ve about had it with posting here (CAF). I’m thinking of resigning my account anyway.

Good luck with your quest, BigRed.

Pax†
 
Dear Catholic Fireman,

Thank you for your many suggestions. I’m sure that our friend didn’t mean any harm in his extensive description of religious orders vs. diocesan priesthood. In his own way he was just trying to be helpful.

God bless you for your kindness in responding to my request, though. May He bless you abundantly and protect you in your firefighting and rescue efforts from all harm!

John
 
Brother, of late you have been been reading into my posts waaaay too much. I don’t know what the deal is, but I was simply trying to help a fellow out. He looks like he has the zeal for the religious life, but I’m not vocations director.

I’ve about had it with posting here (CAF). I’m thinking of resigning my account anyway.

Good luck with your quest, BigRed.

Pax†
I’m very sorry. I did not mean to put your post under the microscope. I realize that most posters on this forum are not vocation directors. Most are not religious or diocesan clergy. Even diocesan clergy do not understand male religious life, by their own admission. They don’t understand it, because the canons that govern religious life are not part of the program of studies in diocesan seminaries nor is Christian Spiritual Theology. Both are studied only in religious houses of formation for men.

That being said, what often happens on the vocation thread is that people will try to help and make suggestions that are untenable. One of the suggestions that is often made to men who cannot be priests for some reason or another is to become a deacon or a brother. I believe that it happens because many people believe that the diaconate and the male religious life are alternatives to the priesthood. How many lay people or diocesan priests and deacons know the Church’s doctrines on the consecrated life? For that matter, the Church’s doctrine on the diaconate is fairly new to the Latin Church. It goes back to the Apostles, but it was shelved for many centuries in the west.

My attempt to to help the OP and others who read the thread to understand that the call to become a religious is unique and only for a select group of men who through no special merit of their own have been called to this way of life. They do not enter this way of life as an alternative, but as the only possible way to save their souls. One of the things that one has to vow, the night before making first vows, is that you are entering religious life because your faith tells you that this is the only way to save your soul. You’re not entering this way of life because it’s an alternative or because you’re being forced to do so by circumstances. You understand that there are many ways to get to heaven, but this is the only way for you. That’s how serious the Church takes the profession of religious vows.

Moving along to another point, the OP is correct in saying that in most religious communities of friars and monks, you may only be ordained if Christ calls you through the superior. For those of us who are monks and friars, that’s not a big deal. We don’t enter our respective orders to be priests. We enter to be religious. The priesthood is a vocation within a vocation.

There is one other difference. There are religious communities that are clerical communities: Dominicans, Jesuits, Fathers of Mercy, Salesians, Passionists, O"Carm and others. In these communities, it is understood that the man who enters is going to be ordained after he makes perpetual profession of vows. They all have Lay Brothers. A lay brother is different from a non-clerical brother in a monastery or a friary. They make the same vows, but their relationship to the community is different. The Lay Brother’s vocation is to make things run so that the ordained can take care of the needs of the Church outside of the religious house. The non-clerical brother in a monastery or friary is part of the ministry be it contemplation or service to the local Church.

Again, I regret that if my post sounded as if I were taking your post and placing it under the microscope. That was not my intention.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m very sorry. I did not mean to put your post under the microscope. I realize that most posters on this forum are not vocation directors. Most are not religious or diocesan clergy. Even diocesan clergy do not understand male religious life, by their own admission. They don’t understand it, because the canons that govern religious life are not part of the program of studies in diocesan seminaries nor is Christian Spiritual Theology. Both are studied only in religious houses of formation for men.

That being said, what often happens on the vocation thread is that people will try to help and make suggestions that are untenable. One of the suggestions that is often made to men who cannot be priests for some reason or another is to become a deacon or a brother. I believe that it happens because many people believe that the diaconate and the male religious life are alternatives to the priesthood. How many lay people or diocesan priests and deacons know the Church’s doctrines on the consecrated life? For that matter, the Church’s doctrine on the diaconate is fairly new to the Latin Church. It goes back to the Apostles, but it was shelved for many centuries in the west.

My attempt to to help the OP and others who read the thread to understand that the call to become a religious is unique and only for a select group of men who through no special merit of their own have been called to this way of life. They do not enter this way of life as an alternative, but as the only possible way to save their souls. One of the things that one has to vow, the night before making first vows, is that you are entering religious life because your faith tells you that this is the only way to save your soul. You’re not entering this way of life because it’s an alternative or because you’re being forced to do so by circumstances. You understand that there are many ways to get to heaven, but this is the only way for you. That’s how serious the Church takes the profession of religious vows.

Moving along to another point, the OP is correct in saying that in most religious communities of friars and monks, you may only be ordained if Christ calls you through the superior. For those of us who are monks and friars, that’s not a big deal. We don’t enter our respective orders to be priests. We enter to be religious. The priesthood is a vocation within a vocation.

There is one other difference. There are religious communities that are clerical communities: Dominicans, Jesuits, Fathers of Mercy, Salesians, Passionists, O"Carm and others. In these communities, it is understood that the man who enters is going to be ordained after he makes perpetual profession of vows. They all have Lay Brothers. A lay brother is different from a non-clerical brother in a monastery or a friary. They make the same vows, but their relationship to the community is different. The Lay Brother’s vocation is to make things run so that the ordained can take care of the needs of the Church outside of the religious house. The non-clerical brother in a monastery or friary is part of the ministry be it contemplation or service to the local Church.

Again, I regret that if my post sounded as if I were taking your post and placing it under the microscope. That was not my intention.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
One point I must make. While we O.Carm. are a clerical community our brothers are not considered lay brothers in that they work as you state " The Lay Brother’s vocation is to make things run so that the ordained can take care of the needs of the Church outside of the religious house." We do have some brothers that work in, what is called, an internal ministry but we also have brothers who work in our outside ministries. We also have some brothers who are deacons.
 
One point I must make. While we O.Carm. are a clerical community our brothers are not considered lay brothers in that they work as you state " The Lay Brother’s vocation is to make things run so that the ordained can take care of the needs of the Church outside of the religious house." We do have some brothers that work in, what is called, an internal ministry but we also have brothers who work in our outside ministries. We also have some brothers who are deacons.
The deacons are clerics. The fraternal orders such as monks and Franciscans, have few permanent deacons, because it increases the number of clerics.

Brother is correct, these brothers (O’Carm) are not lay brothers. Their life is not an alternative to the priesthood. It’s a very specail call. Vita Consacrata makes it very clear that the consecrated religious (male & female) is not part of the laity.

There is a canonical lay state and there is the laity. They are not the same, though they share one thin in common. The canonical lay state means that the person is not ordained. The laity is not ordained, but is also a distinct vocation.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Blessed John XXIII National Seminary in Weston, Massachusetts specializes in older (late) vocations. Our new “chaplain in training” is a widower and a grandfather. He attended that seminery. 🙂
 
Blessed John XXIII National Seminary in Weston, Massachusetts specializes in older (late) vocations. Our new “chaplain in training” is a widower and a grandfather. He attended that seminery. 🙂
Thanks for that tip. You must have been sent as an answer to a prayer. I have an older gentleman ask about this and I know there is such a seminary, but couldn’t point him in the right direction. Now I can . . . thanks to you.

You’re better than Google. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Thanks for that tip. You must have been sent as an answer to a prayer. I have an older gentleman ask about this and I know there is such a seminary, but couldn’t point him in the right direction. Now I can . . . thanks to you.

You’re better than Google. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Aw shucks. :o Thank you.

I am here to serve.
 
Thanks for that tip. You must have been sent as an answer to a prayer. I have an older gentleman ask about this and I know there is such a seminary, but couldn’t point him in the right direction. Now I can . . . thanks to you.

You’re better than Google. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
There is also Sacred Heart School of Theology in Franklin, WI. They are focused
on preparing men over 30 for priesthood.

Sacred Heart School of Theology
 
You are likely running into some recent hanges within the seminaries.
As many have noticed 50 & 60 aged plus newly ordained priest, they forget the number of years to formation. Many of the longer formation orders ie; jesuits stop priesthood entry at 50 but will still consider brotherhood. Some seminaries will accept men well into their 50’s if their entry numbers are extremely low. Work with what they have. Seminaries are seeing a influx of men from India & other. It is a oportunity to pursue their education and serve, opening doors that many who grow up here take for grantef.

I’m from Minneapolis and the Saint Paul seminary has more younger men applying. It allows the entry commitee to be more selective. Because of this, an older seminarian being ordained this year (now) is not necessarily an indication of same seminary taking older men. However as a rule, age over 40 does take more research and effort to find a seminary and/or order who will accept you. The process takes time and education, formation into “priesthood” is lengthy.

I’m sure if God is calling you there is a way. Consider too how God may be calling you and think of keeping an option of brotherhood (less time) but can be every bit as rewarding. We are all called to be servants of Jesus. He wants us first to be obidient and faithful.

My best to you in this journey of religious vocation, keep talking with vocational directors and religious orders who can guide you correctly. God Blessings,
 
Fascinating thread.
I was thinking the same thing. This would be one of those great quotes for the thread “you know you’re Catholic when…”

I would answer, “when you read the thread on older vocations and are blown away by Catholic Fireman’s suggestions and Br. J.R. and David O’Carm’s cannonical knowledge.”😉
 
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