Director of Youth Ministry "secrecy?"

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Thanks, Lux, I’ve actually been feeling like that is the first course…just letting her know it may have been “too much”. She is already saying she will be calling the teen next week to “fininsh” their conversation. The teen thought they were “finished” with the conversation. Based on the next talk I think we can assess whether it is a valid concern about her path to confirmation or being too “nosey”. I’ve been discerning in what way I might volunteer with confirmation. I taught it 7 years ago…maybe I can help out and get other committed parents to do so as well. It would probably make us feel better and the YM could probably use the help.
 
I thought it might be helpful to post some of the NFCYM Code of Ethics - the whole document is linked (italics are mine):
dioceseofpueblo.com/Youth%20Ministry/Documentations/Code%20of%20Ethics%20for%20Youth%20Ministers.pdf
4***. ***Confidentiality
a) Youth ministry leaders respect confidentiality, yet are not held to confidentiality in the
same way as ordained ministers and licensed, certified counselors.

b) Youth Ministry leaders adhere to civil and ecclesial law concerning the reporting of
neglect, abuse or when physical harm could come to the person or to a third party.

c) Youth ministry leaders support the rights and roles of parents while ministering to the
needs and concerns of adolescents.


5. Conduct
a) Youth ministry leaders are aware they have considerable personal power because of
their ministerial position. Therefore, they will sustain respectful ministerial
relationships, avoiding manipulation and other abuses of power.

b) Youth ministry leaders maintain appropriate professional boundaries (e.g. physical,
sexual, relational, and emotional). Romantic, dating, or sexual relationships between a
youth ministry leader and an adolescent are inappropriate and unethical.
c) Youth ministry leaders model healthy and positive behaviors with adolescents.
d) Procuring, providing, or using alcohol and/or controlled substances for or with
adolescents is inappropriate and unethical.

6. Referrals and Intervention
a) Youth ministry leaders are aware of the signs of physical, sexual, and psychological
abuse and neglect.

b) Youth ministry leaders are aware of their limitations with respect to paraprofessional
counseling and make appropriate referrals.

c) Youth ministry leaders adhere to civil and ecclesial law, policy and procedure for
reporting abuse, suspected abuse or neglect.
So, if I read 4a, 4b, 4c, 5a, 6a and 6b correctly, some level of confidence is acceptable. However, if you, as a parent, were to meet with the Youth Minister because you had some concern, they could not tell you “I’m sorry, but I can’t tell you that.” They would have to inform you of what is going on.

Now, if the parent is a source of abuse, they should refer the matter to someone else. Clearly, the Youth Minister should be careful in the level of “counseling” they provide, so they don’t go beyond their limitations.
 
What a shame that they missed the opportunity for great catechesis. The NFCYM even has a list of resources and encourages discussion of The Davinci Code.
nfcym.org/resources/specialissues/index.htm
**Catholic Teaching about Jesus… **
In the wake of The Da Vinci Code many people have questions about the person of Jesus and the origins of Christianity. Catechists and youth ministers can see this as an opportune moment—a moment to evangelize, to discuss, to encourage young people to know Jesus—to allow the promptings of the Holy Spirit within each young people to lead to deeper catechesis.
Resources from USCCB include:
I think you are right to be worried about the orthodoxy of your parish’s youth ministry. It isn’t just a teen club, they should be actively discussing Catholic topics, including pro-life issues, vocations, etc.

Do you know what the YM’s background and credentials are?
I truly do not feel good about it. I might take it to the pastor, but as I said before do not believe I will be well received. I went to him before and was put off. The last issue was with the Davinci Code, and I was asking that the YM give the Catholic response to it (Davinci Deception, which I offered the church secretary to give to the YM) They chose not to. My problem with that was that the YM knew one of the teens was reading the Code and I know kids were already talking about it. Anyway, I guess there is more to this and my gut feeling is that the YM is to “liberal” in my Catholic biased opinion. The YM is also not very heavy on the Pro-Life stuff like I would like to see. Sorry if I’ve gone on too long, but I fear this may lead me to have to make a big decision and that is very stressful because this has been my church home for a long time.
 
As far as I have seen, it is only the YM. My concern came out of the teen girl’s uneasiness as she described what “felt” like probing questions about her personal life, then the assurance that the teen’s mom wouldn’t have to know what they talked about.
Okay - I’ve read a lot of these responses but this one raises the red flag. Not no how, not no way should any adult leader interact with minor children without at least one other adult leader on hand. This is for the protection of ALL involved. THAT is the position to clarify with the diocesan office. The question should be raised to the pastor on the policy within the diocese, and then enforce conformity to that policy.
 
Absolutely—why are one on one meetings allowed?

I would definitely look into this. Even if everything is OK, the policy needs to be reviewed.

Lux
 
Absolutely—why are one on one meetings allowed?

I would definitely look into this. Even if everything is OK, the policy needs to be reviewed.

Lux
Lux - Even if it isn’t one on one with adult and child, no single adult should be alone even with a group of children .
 
As far as I have seen, it is only the YM. My concern came out of the teen girl’s uneasiness as she described what “felt” like probing questions about her personal life, then the assurance that the teen’s mom wouldn’t have to know what they talked about. She told me she felt “weird” about it…she has nothing to hide and wanted to tell her mom and me about it. It just bothered me that the YM “seemed” to overstep where she had not been asked to. That is my parental opinion and that of my friend.
the so-called “touching safety” and similar programs which have been so roundly criticized on these forums (by myself and others) includes a segment on this very topic, helping the child or teen know what to do when an adult (or another child) makes them feel “weird”. It is about acknowledging such feelings, and about telling another “safe adult” about them, how to tell who is a safe adult, and assurance that this adult will not dismiss those feelings and will act on them. The parent in this story has given and excellent demonstration of how a teen should react–tell a parent–and how a parent should act–respect those feelings and act on them. If all parents did such a good job there would be no need for touching safety or for the entire child protection apparatus constructed by the Church to deal with such problems.

the YM in the scenario in OP is violating ethical conduct standards, and the parent is quite within her rights in discussing her concern first with the pastor, who is obliged to take notice and act and to investigate.
 
<<I’m bothered that my friend’s daughter was told by the woman in charge of Youth Ministry that she would only discuss what they talk about with the daughter’s mother if the teen girl agreed.>>

Since this did not involve your own daughter, it’s really none of your business, now is it?
 
I find this the saddest part of group confidences–the confidentiality is often broken, and it is unrealistic to expect kids not to discuss things.
…and yet, they use group councelling in youth councelling centers… such as the one where I went, when I was cutting myself.

Initially, I started out with an individual councellor. Her policy was simple - I was her client. Not my parents. If my parents called her up to ask what I talked about, she would not tell them (none of the councellors would). The only way any information would have been divulged was if I was deemed a suicide risk, or being abused, or if anyone would be coming to actual physical harm in any way.

Now I know that YM is not a youth councellor, but when a young person is in need of an adult confidant who is not their parent (which happens more than you might think), a YM is a good choice. Often YMs know when to direct the young person to a councellor with an issue, or when to simply be supportive.

As well, at sixteen years of age (in Canada, at any rate), our medical records as young people are - sealed. So when I, at seventeen, went to the hospital after a suicide attempt - my mother and family never found out. Nor will they ever.

As it turns out, my family might be one of those that could be labelled emotionally abusive. I’m fairly sure that normal families don’t have grandparents who scream at their granddaughter that she is EDIT worthless, stupid etc., - simply because the grandparent happens to be upset.

Or who tell their nine year old granddaughter, my sister, EDIT off because she closed the bathroom door too hard… or who tell her that it’s her fault that her stepfather left, because he couldn’t seem to figure out that 30-something men should not slap, headbutt, punch or harm little girls when they’re angry…

though, he also abused my little brother and my other sister as well… told my 12yr old brother he wasn’t welcome at home anymore when my mom wasn’t around… would pinch and bruise the 5 year old because “she walked too slowly”… yet, no, this is all the nine year old’s fault, of course. couldn’t be the man’s fault that he can’t control his own behaviour…

sorry. wow. off topic. but not really - because it escalated to this treatment of my siblings, but with me it was all more hidden with the exception of the guy who used to hit me with his belt for crying when my brother hit me when I was about 3 or 4… all the other guys simply yelled a lot, and my mother would seem to forget she had children when there was a guy around…

I was left completely alone by all of the adults in my life on the night when some young men attacked my friends and I with baseball bats, and tried to rape us… my friend’s neighbor drove me home, and as soon as I got in I was told to go back outside because my mom was waiting for a phone call. my father told me that as I was fifteen, I was an adult and should “deal with it”.

so sometimes … okay, a lot of times (most of my friends have similar backgrounds or varying experiences of emotional abuse), kids with these backgrounds will not talk to anyone who even might reveal a word of it back to their parents…

my little sister is already having a worse time at home after her emotional breakdown at school attracted the attention of Child Services, who stipulated that the current “man” could not return home and if he did, the children would be gone… (sometimes that organization only knows how to make things harder for the kids! honestly… :mad: who goes and tells the parents that this daughter told us this happened to her in your house?)

anyways. sorry if this is dumping… I actually had a point. I might be a little touchy on the point of confidentiality for teens, though…

honestly, if the girl herself was disturbed, she probably will stay away from the YM without any parental (name removed by moderator)ut, but you can guide them away from the YM if you want to. remember, though, that teens can sometimes misread people’s intentions, as well. the YM could have been only trying to help - maybe she sensed or thought there was something wrong that the girl was hiding, and wanted to help?

forever a believer,
Esther Rose
 
…and yet, they use group councelling in youth councelling centers… such as the one where I went, when I was cutting myself.

Initially, I started out with an individual councellor. Her policy was simple - I was her client. Not my parents.
Thank you for sharing this Esther. I’m sorry you’ve had to witness and experience such pain. I hope you’ll continue to heal from your chidhood wounds. Let’s pray together that youth ministers, and other Catholics who just want to be present in the ways they can be, WILL be guided to support our Catholic teens.

From personal experience, I know that 99% of the people in the pews have no idea of the good works our youth ministers can do.
 
Lux - Even if it isn’t one on one with adult and child, no single adult should be alone even with a group of children .
I agree, but am not sure of the written policy on this. Teachers are often the only adult in their classroom, so it cannot be a universal policy.

Lux
 
They use the title “brother”?
I don’t know, ask him. But if you are in the SFO, you probably aren’t in another religious community, let alone the Franciscans. Most likely it is just a moniker he likes to employ for the messageboard or in general.
 
I’m not sure about her credentials, but she is young…maybe late twenties and comes across very young (like the company of teens she keeps) The lack of orthodoxy is what I’ve experienced in the parish overall…which is why I listen to Catholic Radio. I also visit a really traditional Catholic church sometimes. I have ties where I am in large part because my small children attend an exceptional parochial school there.

However, the uneasiness in the voice of my friend’s daughter is what prompted my questions. I don’t think the YM would harm a child…just that I don’t think the teen should have had to speak with her one-on-one unless she wanted to…the questioning was too much, etc. She felt singled out…does she ask every kid all those ? She wanted to know who she hangs out with and why…to a really shy girl. (I will at the very least ask about this before either girl is told they must have a private meeting…don’t think anyone should have to without a parent if they don’t want)

Anyway, I am going to look into the Confirmation Curriculum. I will probably also volunteer in some way. First and foremost, my friend and I will listen to our daughters to see what they think and what they get out of it. I know they will be involved in some pretty awesome diocesan-wide retreats and events. If this curriculum is not what we hoped for, we have other ways to get to confirmation though.

Thanks to everyone who has given so much time to this…it helps a lot to get varied opinions and make me think about every angle.
 
To Esther Rose,

I somehow missed your post until now. You and your siblings are in my prayers! Stay strong and keep the faith! You have been through so,so, much and it sure isn’t over as long as someone you love is still suffering too:(

Thank you for taking time to add your post.

Hang in there! Now I will forever be praying for your situation!
 
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