Dirty Jokes

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Salvete, omnes.

Paul, in Ephesians (5:4) says that such communication as “eutrapelia” and “morologia” should not come out of our mouth. These have often been translated as “coarse jesting” or “scurrility”.

So, is this perhaps referring to so-called “dirty jokes”, all too common today?

Or, is it referring to something else entirely?

Gratias.
 
Salvete, omnes.

Paul, in Ephesians (5:4) says that such communication as “eutrapelia” and “morologia” should not come out of our mouth. These have often been translated as “coarse jesting” or “scurrility”.

So, is this perhaps referring to so-called “dirty jokes”, all too common today?

Or, is it referring to something else entirely?

Gratias.
Yes, it refers to dirty jokes and remarks that bring down the tone of conversation and sets bad example.

Phillippians 4:8,9

“Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.”
 
I’d ask your priest as when I asked, I got a different answer than what I think most people here would say.
 
I think this is one of those areas where we’re expected to use our common sense.

St. Paul was obviously concerned with the early Christians setting a good example and striving to be on a higher plane than the people surrounding them. Having them running around behaving badly does not work to help either point.

An occasional dirty joke in a private setting between family members or close friends is obviously different from somebody telling them every night to a crowded bar or in some other public setting, where the jokes not only make him look stupid and obsessed with dirt, but may upset others who don’t like to hear them. Of course you don’t tell dirty jokes in front of children, or in church, or at the office, etc. It’s a simple message of “control yourself.”
 
It’s also a matter of what dirty is. I assume dirty refers to jokes of a sexual nature rather than a joke that uses crude language.
However, an craftily done double entendre can be excused, in my book, like some of the old time Vaudeville jokes.
 
There’s a reason movies are rated G, PG, PG13, and R rather than simply “good” and “bad”. I think the same kind of thinking can be applied to conversations: in some circumstances not only “PG” conversation but even “PG13” conversation might be appropriate.
 
Sometimes I do cartoons when the situation strikes me as funny.

Dirty Joke: Two men were walking down the street one day on their way to a coffee shop. On their way, they noticed that the funeral home on the corner had black smoke billowing from the stack.

“They must be doing a cremation today,” said the one guy. “It stinks.”

“Yeah” replied the other guy. “You think he would have taken a bath first.”
 
Salvete, omnes.

Paul, in Ephesians (5:4) says that such communication as “eutrapelia” and “morologia” should not come out of our mouth. These have often been translated as “coarse jesting” or “scurrility”.

So, is this perhaps referring to so-called “dirty jokes”, all too common today?

Or, is it referring to something else entirely?

Gratias.
In my opinion, St. Paul was not referring here to dirty jokes at all… in fact, St. Paul himself used such language against the “judaizers”, saying those agitating that a baptized should need to circumsize, perhaps he should go all the way and castrate himself. (GAL 5:12).

I think what he is referring here is to sarcasm, using wit as a weapon within the community, and foolish idle talk… he is contrasting extremes here to make his point.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas, in his Commentary on St. Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians, writes:

…he bans three vices, namely,

– *obscenity *which consists in impure touches, embraces and lustful kisses. “But he who is an adulterer, for the folly of his heart shall destroy his own soul. He gathers to himself shame and dishonor” (Prov. 6:32-33). Then there is

– foolish talking which is words provocative of evil. “For her conversation,” that is, of an evil woman, “burns as fire” (Sirach 9:11). Finally there is

– *scurrility *consisting in jocose words with which some attempt to please others. “But I say to you that for every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account on the day of judgment” (Mt. 12:36).

All of these are grave insofar as they are said or done in connection with mortal sins; for anything, even if it is generally good, becomes mortal to the degree that it is ordered toward mortal sins.
 
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