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I am a non-Catholic Christian, contemplating Catholicism. I attend mass with my Catholic wife, and kids.

The last song today was a moving one about being at the cross, and it took me there. Before the song is over there is a mass exodus, people leaving, not singing, etc. and I feel like I am among almost a whole congregation that is disengaged.

This is pretty common, even at other parishes I have been to. If the Catholic Church is “the church”, why does it not feel like it?

Can’t ever recall this in the Baptist church I attended.
 
I am a non-Catholic Christian, contemplating Catholicism. I attend mass with my Catholic wife, and kids.

The last song today was a moving one about being at the cross, and it took me there. Before the song is over there is a mass exodus, people leaving, not singing, etc. and I feel like I am among almost a whole congregation that is disengaged.

This is pretty common, even at other parishes I have been to. If the Catholic Church is “the church”, why does it not feel like it?

Can’t ever recall this in the Baptist church I attended.
This does not happen at my parish.

However, the priest’s exit concludes the mass. So, it seems this is a carryover from an older mass tradition.
 
Hymns have their place but they’re not the focus of the mass. How does the congregation act during the eucharistic sacrifice?
 
Hymns are a form of prayer. If those who don’t feel like singing (praying) that is up to them. We can’t force people to pray before meals or before they go to bed either, although we should do it.
 
There’s two ways to look at your situation today. Either the congregation walked out (which the priest does, too, by the way) OR the musical director was prolonging the song – you have to decide.

Songs, indeed, teach us of our faith. But, today, being Palm Sunday, with the reading of the passion of our Lord, the Mass was already a big prolonged. Really, Catholics are generally conditioned for the Mass to conclude within an hour.

My parish is composed of the merger of two churches. For a while, I was attending Mass on both Saturday and Sunday, with the same priest celebrant. In the one church, the 60-minute (unofficial) rule was followed, but the (what I call) excess singing in the other church led to the Mass concluding in 75 minutes. Now, there, in that second church, there’s a special pamphlet printed for each weekend Mass.

The reason why that second Mass extended to 75 minutes was, as I later calculated from the pamphlet, due to singing of about 75 stanzas and choruses. I have a weak voice, and I can’t even hold out for all that long. This has to due totally to the discretion of the music director (same priest, 60 minutes versus 75 minutes).

The Mass is a ritual, to be sure, but it is a very dramatic one, if you’re really “into” it, if you’re “into” what every part of it represents. I AM “into” it and I don’t get overly concerned about these variable and non-essential aspects of it. By the end of Mass, I am in an “overload” condition. I don’t think I need all six verses of a song along with the chorus repeated after each one. I’m not a slave to that.

Perhaps you could teach us something about your Baptist church experience, so we can learn from it. I like Protestant hymns, well, the traditional ones.

There’s another level to the conversation – how hard is it to sing the Catholic hymns? In this one church that I belonged to, this lady soprano couldn’t even hit the high notes,much less the rest of us. In the more than 50 years since the Second Vatican Council, which ushered in the English form of the Mass in the U.S., I don’t think that the music has really matured to a great level that it eventually will get to.

If you can watch the Mass on EWTN, you will see that there are almost standard melodies for certain parts of the Mass – which standardization is not at all required ! It is simply the decision of “somebody” (who I will not mention) who LIKES IT THAT WAY.

I suspect that what you experienced is the result of a number of factors that I have listed above. What is variable from one Catholic church to another, is what the priest does who leaves before everybody else? Does he stand there greeting everybody? Or, as some priests in nearby churches do, they go back to their little room and just take off their vestments – in one case the priest even closes the door to that room, so as to conceal his rudeness towards the parishioners (which is my opinion – I can’t say which is worse, disrobing in sight of or out of the sight of the departing parishioners – WHAT’S HIS HURRY?)

Your question involves Catholic culture at various levels. And, it involves spirituality of the individual and collective members of a parish. If you have the opportunity, there is usually a lot more relaxed progression of the Mass on weekdays. And, to be frank, you have to look around for priest who encourages the appropriate spirituality. See my next post.
 
I am a non-Catholic Christian, contemplating Catholicism. I attend mass with my Catholic wife, and kids.

The last song today was a moving one about being at the cross, and it took me there. Before the song is over there is a mass exodus, people leaving, not singing, etc. and I feel like I am among almost a whole congregation that is disengaged.

This is pretty common, even at other parishes I have been to. If the Catholic Church is “the church”, why does it not feel like it?

Can’t ever recall this in the Baptist church I attended.
Don’t let what other people do effect your singing. Many sing on their way out. People not singing does not define the Church. God Bless, Memaw
 
I am a non-Catholic Christian, contemplating Catholicism. I attend mass with my Catholic wife, and kids.

The last song today was a moving one about being at the cross, and it took me there. Before the song is over there is a mass exodus, people leaving, not singing, etc. and I feel like I am among almost a whole congregation that is disengaged.

This is pretty common, even at other parishes I have been to. If the Catholic Church is “the church”, why does it not feel like it?

Can’t ever recall this in the Baptist church I attended.
I stay and pray because I know that Jesus Christ is present in the Eucharist. Sometimes people like to go and shuffle out, but I don’t mind being the last one
 
Detroit radio priest Fr. John Riccardo, a very popular speaker, can be heard on EWTN radio, if you can catch him on your local station.

Otherwise, you can search on his name and his talks are available for free download on the internet.

Well, he focuses on certain words of Jesus on the cross, “I thirst.” What does he thirst for, Fr. John asks? – for YOU, and for ME. This is THE MESSAGE of the gospel. And, Jesus thirsts so much that he wants to give himself to us, to become a part of us – in the MASS. This is why you and I should want to go to Mass, to take advantage of this great gift and mystery.

Again, I say, why do people hang around for all the singing in a Baptist church? I’d like to know. My sheer guess is that you’re singing very popular and well-liked songs, easy-to-sing songs, songs that reinforce your faith and spirituality – and that make you feel good. I think a lot of Catholic songs don’t do all of those things, hit all those “buttons.” It’s just where are, not where we should be. The Catholic Church, at the parish level, is hard pressed to raise everybody’s spirituality; inherently, it takes a lot of individual effort.

Why don’t we have another “happy birthday” song? Well, because we like it – it says everything with a simple melody – and it’s short. What I don’t understand is why we don’t have a dozen happy birthday songs.

So, your question is very complicated. It’s cultural. (Haven’t I said enough, already?) Another “problem” is that every pastor has his preferences and passes them along to the music director. So, you get one thing here, another thing someplace else. Lack of uniformity, lack of quality, you name it.

In the first of the two churches in my parish, the music director plays a grand church organ. In the other church, it’s a music synthesizer accompanied by guitars. We have quite a glaring choice between the two parishes.
 
I have observed similar. Coming from our protestant perspective, without the reality of the Eucharist, I think there is an understanding that you go to church, and you are committed to the length of the service as a matter of course. Until a final prayer, you behave a certain way.

It bothered me that people didn’t seem to behave the same way at the end of a Mass - even that people weren’t as friendly as in a protestant church after the service.

But I guess I come to the reality of what is going on in the Eucharist. Nothing changes that, no less than reverent behaviour on the part of the parishioners, before, during or after, changes the fact that Jesus is actually there. Should people be more reverent about the whole thing? I guess we can all be more reverent in the face of something so enormous. But people are people. You come to the arms of the Catholic church because it is truth, not because it’s members act in a certain way, iyswim.
 
You need to better understand that the Mass actually ends as soon as the priest processes out and at that point we can all beat feet if we want to.

We have actually already been dismissed after the blessing and the dismissal from the priest.

“The Mass is ended, go in peace glorifying the Lord by your life”

Honestly though, if you heard me singing you’d be in a hurry to get outta there too. 😃

Still, if you want to hang around and sing then by all means rock on. I don’t get where you think the church doesn’t feel like it. Besides, truth has exactly nothing to do with how any of us feel. Truth is reality and feelings are just emotions that are fairly easily manipulated and are often deceptive.

Focus on the reality. 🙂

Oh…and my parish is very friendly. (and our dinners are both better fellowship and better food.) 👍
 
Oh…and my parish is very friendly. (and our dinners are both better fellowship and better food.) 👍
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Yeah, mine’s warming up after a long time. Got to be a regular smiling face and try and beat your own shyness I reckon 🙂

It is interesting, I heard the same complaint from a friend who converted some years ago now, and I recall her priest telling her to be careful about judging the hearts of others which i thought good advice and which I try and hold to. Sadly she is no longer a Catholic.
 
I have lived in about 11 different locations. In almost all of them, I have encountered the phenomenon that the congregation gets up to leave as soon as the priest has cleared the aisle.

I tend to be one of them; in my case I’m bipolar and most of the time I can’t stand to be in a large crowd any more than I have to. My wife, on the other hand wants to stay until the singing is done, then she wants to light votive candles and pray to Mary, then we can stroll out as they are waiting on us to lock the doors.
 
The Catholic Church, at the parish level, is hard pressed to raise everybody’s spirituality; inherently, it takes a lot of individual effort.
Ouch.

True.

Dear Markie Boy,
Thank you for accompanying your wife and children to Mass. That is a blessing. I am glad you are contemplating our Catholic faith. As a teenager who was not able to revert back into communion with the Catholic Church (my parents left it when I was a kid), I was taken in by my boss and her Southern Baptist Church. I was spiritually fed with the Gospel, good Christian fellowship, hymns, counseling and the good food! I agree with the quoted comments, you will find that our true fellowship goes deeper than this Sunday Mass (or in my case, Divine Liturgy, I am an Eastern Catholic now). I found what you seek in pockets that work and meet elsewhere; lay apostolates (ministries), secular third orders of Carmelites, Franciscans, etc. They share the work, they share meals, they study the faith in fellowship, that is what you seek. Mass is Mass.

It took me almost two years to find that out.
 
I am a non-Catholic Christian, contemplating Catholicism. I attend mass with my Catholic wife, and kids.

The last song today was a moving one about being at the cross, and it took me there. Before the song is over there is a mass exodus, people leaving, not singing, etc. and I feel like I am among almost a whole congregation that is disengaged.

This is pretty common, even at other parishes I have been to. If the Catholic Church is “the church”, why does it not feel like it?

Can’t ever recall this in the Baptist church I attended.
Yes, that is what a lot of Catholics are like and it is sad. I guess it all comes down to one’s personal feeling for Christ and the great beauty that the Mass really is - from beginning to end. I was away from the Church for 10 years and believe me since I have been back I see everything in a totally different way. In the end I don’t worry about what others may or may not do at Mass, I am there to worship God and thank Him for all I have. Hey, at some point we will all be called to account.
 
It happens in our church but most of the people leave after Holy Communion!! 😦

The priest does leave even before the first verse is finished. He goes to the back of the church but most of the people left stay singing.
 
Our priests do not recess until the last verse of the final hymn. They all enjoy singing, and they all just happen to sing well. I guess the implication of their action is that all should do the same. Those who are in a hurry usually just leave as soon as they have received Holy Commuion…grab and go.
 
Remind the congregation to obey the 11th commandment. *Thou shalt not leave Mass during the recessional hymn. *Many but not all parishioners actually stay the entire Mass at the church I attend.

Possible reasons parishioners would give for leaving early:

They have fulfilled their holy day of obligation by attending Mass (just simply being there).

Do what others do-leave early.

It’s not cool singing sacred hymns.
 
I am a non-Catholic Christian, contemplating Catholicism. I attend mass with my Catholic wife, and kids.

The last song today was a moving one about being at the cross, and it took me there. Before the song is over there is a mass exodus, people leaving, not singing, etc. and I feel like I am among almost a whole congregation that is disengaged.

This is pretty common, even at other parishes I have been to. If the Catholic Church is “the church”, why does it not feel like it?

Can’t ever recall this in the Baptist church I attended.
You might be interested in attending the Extraordinary Form where as a general practice most stay after dismissal and listen to the Last Gospel (John 1:1-14) and say private prayers of thanksgiving . At Low Mass usually the Prayers after Low Mass are said by all and at Sung (Missa Cantata) and Solemn EF Mass most also stay to sing the Hail Holy Queen (Salve Regina).
 
The pastor at the Baptist church would stay and sing thru the last song with everyone. It’s a different culture there too - more Bible readers, more fellowship, and actually seems more united.

I have attended a book study at the parish, one day a week for about 6 weeks, I was the only non-Catholic in the group.

I brought in the article that was posted here by Tim Staples on voting pro-life, and it was not very embraced. I felt the group was more than half not all-in on that one. I thought Tim did a good job on that one.

It just feels like there is something missing in this community.
 
The pastor at the Baptist church would stay and sing thru the last song with everyone. It’s a different culture there too - more Bible readers, more fellowship, and actually seems more united.

I have attended a book study at the parish, one day a week for about 6 weeks, I was the only non-Catholic in the group.

I brought in the article that was posted here by Tim Staples on voting pro-life, and it was not very embraced. I felt the group was more than half not all-in on that one. I thought Tim did a good job on that one.

It just feels like there is something missing in this community.
I know how you feel. Before I decided to convert (from Protestantism), I did about a year of study to find out what Catholics actually believe (vs the lies and stereotypes I was taught). When I finally decided to start RCIA, I went to a local church and after a few weeks, I remember telling my wife that I was unhappy with it. It was an extremely liberal parish and some days the classes were so bad that I started to wonder if the teacher was even Catholic. I even asked my wife, “Where’s the Catholicism I read about? That’s what I’m looking for and its not at this church”. We made the decision to move to a new parish and are much happier now.

Sorry for the long story, but I guess I just wanted to let you know that it is frustrating and that I hope you don’t decide to leave Catholicism over the lukewarm demonstration of it you’ve been given. Do you have the option of attending a different church? Maybe one that takes the faith more seriously?
 
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