Discernment of MDM

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Can anyone recommend good discernment of the Maria Divine Mercy Prophecies, like forum posts or a good website. From my initial glances of the MDM stuff I don’t buy it, I feel it may be trying to compete with the Divine Mercy devotion from Sister Faustina which I am a total supporter of.

I decided to not look at any more MDM stuff until I read some good analysis on it. Any helpers out there?

Alternatively, any one know of a good site that gives good discernment info of other apparitions, miracles, like Garabandal, etc etc…

Ta,
-EM
 
I thought the RCC condemns Garabandal and MDM.

Stick to the approved ones.
 
CrimsonThorn said:
I thought the RCC condemns Garabandal and MDM.

Stick to the approved ones.
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Hi, thanks, I was not so much hoping to open a debate on the validity of various apparitions as that has been done many times here but to see if there is any web site dedicated to this. Dedicated to determining their validity. I am not sure Garabandal was condemned but think it has just not been approved, maybe i’m wrong. I would not be suprized if MDM has been condemned. Surely there must be methods outlined somewhere to check their validity, some of this stuff seems dangerous.

-EM
 
I would stay well clear of MDM and other “apparitions” such as Bayside. I even have doubts about Medjugorje - I would rather wait for the judgement of the church . I sometimes feel that that these apparent apparitions are the work of satan to direct our attention away from the true apparitions and messages of Lourdes, Fatima etc. As I understand it one of the priests in medjugorje was defrocked . I know that there are “10 secrets” waiting to be fulfilled according to the medjugorje seers and as for Garabandal we are waiting for" the warning and miracle "so we will just have to wait and see, also from many saints and visionaries we have the warning of the 3 days darkness as well as the prophecy of St Malachy - the next pope being the last one.
My own view - Embrace our sorrowful mother at the foot of the cross and turn your gaze upon our agonising Lord and accept whatever the will of God is.

JESUS I TRUST IN YOU
JESUS, MARY, I LOVE YOU, SAVE SOULS.
 
endaman said:
Hi, thanks, I was not so much hoping to open a debate on the validity of various apparitions as that has been done many times here but to see if there is any web site dedicated to this. Dedicated to determining their validity. I am not sure Garabandal was condemned but think it has just not been approved, maybe i’m wrong. I would not be suprized if MDM has been condemned. Surely there must be methods outlined somewhere to check their validity, some of this stuff seems dangerous.

-EM
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The Church is the only one with the authority to declare apparitions as worthy of belief or not. And even then faithful Catholics may choose to disbelieve in them.

Also, I do not believe it is required that the Church gives its reasoning in declaring something not worthy of belief but usually it is because something within the apparition goes against what the Church Teaches.
 
exquisitor said:
I would stay well clear of MDM and other “apparitions” such as Bayside. I even have doubts about Medjugorje - I would rather wait for the judgement of the church . I sometimes feel that that these apparent apparitions are the work of satan to direct our attention away from the true apparitions and messages of Lourdes, Fatima etc. As I understand it one of the priests in medjugorje was defrocked . I know that there are “10 secrets” waiting to be fulfilled according to the medjugorje seers and as for Garabandal we are waiting for" the warning and miracle "so we will just have to wait and see, also from many saints and visionaries we have the warning of the 3 days darkness as well as the prophecy of St Malachy - the next pope being the last one.
My own view - Embrace our sorrowful mother at the foot of the cross and turn your gaze upon our agonising Lord and accept whatever the will of God is.

JESUS I TRUST IN YOU
JESUS, MARY, I LOVE YOU, SAVE SOULS.
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The best bet is to stick with approved private revelations.

I think Bayside was condemned.

I have a feeling that Medjugorje will receive a negative judgment.

Garabandal is a hard case to crack. The Bishops have said that they can find no evidence of the supernatural, but they have not condemned it and it seems that as long as certain supernatural events predicted to occur there in the future are pending, then we won’t really know for sure. I definitely think that the preternatural was present at Garabandal. If you go to the following link (garabandal.tv/default.htm#Garabandal DVDs) there is archival footage from Garabandal (it is at the bottom of the page under the “Garabandal Archive One” and is listed as “Commission Film”) If you click on “Commission Film” it will request permission to play in Windows Media Player. Starting at about the 6:00 mark in the film, two of the Garabandal seers come out of ecstasy. Then at the 6:15 mark the girls go back into ecstasy, instantaneously. Look at the girl on the right and how her head snaps back into ecstatic place in what appears to be preternatural manner. I have never seen anything quite like this, it does not appear to be faked, and certainly looks to me like a preternatural event. I guess the only question would be whether the good angels or the bad angels are the ones behind these preternatural phenomena.
 
Cool, thanks for the replies, i’m in two minds about Garabandal and Medjugorje, I have decided that time will tell the truth.

What I really want are some resources that can help discern such apparitions, something from the Vatican or apologetics, guidelines for figuring out their validity, not so much a discussion about individual apparitions.

Thanks,
-EM
 
The obvious thing to look for is what actually is being proclaimed from the apparition - Does it go against scripture or the teachings of the church. If you look at Bayside you will find statements that go against Church teaching so therefore it is False. I have looked at various apparitions and their teachings and it is easy to spot the falsehood in them. Others do need Church investigation and that can take a while but the truth will always prevail in the end.
 
endaman said:
Can anyone recommend good discernment of the Maria Divine Mercy Prophecies, like forum posts or a good website. From my initial glances of the MDM stuff I don’t buy it, I feel it may be trying to compete with the Divine Mercy devotion from Sister Faustina which I am a total supporter of.

I decided to not look at any more MDM stuff until I read some good analysis on it. Any helpers out there?

Alternatively, any one know of a good site that gives good discernment info of other apparitions, miracles, like Garabandal, etc etc…

Ta,
-EM
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As a spiritual director of spiritual directors, St. John of the Cross did not attach much importance to such things. Here is just one quote from his writings of “The Sayings of Light and Love”:

**God values in you the inclination to dryness and suffering for love of him more than all the consolations, spiritual visions, and meditations you could possibly have. **

thirdordercarmelite.wordpress.com/carmelite-feast-days/st-john-of-the-cross-priest-and-doctor/sayings-of-light-and-love-st-john-of-the-cross/

God’s peace be with you

micah
 
mercytruth said:
As a spiritual director of spiritual directors, St. John of the Cross did not attach much importance to such things. Here is just one quote from his writings of “The Sayings of Light and Love”:

**God values in you the inclination to dryness and suffering for love of him more than all the consolations, spiritual visions, and meditations you could possibly have. **

thirdordercarmelite.wordpress.com/carmelite-feast-days/st-john-of-the-cross-priest-and-doctor/sayings-of-light-and-love-st-john-of-the-cross/

God’s peace be with you

micah
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It is true that approved private revelations add nothing to the deposit of the faith, but they should be taken seriously especially when the Mother of God comes with a warning or a request.
 
HansTrappist said:
It is true that approved private revelations add nothing to the deposit of the faith, but they should be taken seriously especially when the Mother of God comes with a warning or a request.
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When the people of God have sometimes gone so far off course then I think messages have to come from someone and to some people as has done down through the ages. For this reason I choose to not totally ignore provate revelation. At times such revelation has helped me grow stronger in my faith and prayer and get be back on track.

This is partly why I started this thread to then seek ways to discern good revelation from bad revelation.
 
endaman said:
When the people of God have sometimes gone so far off course then I think messages have to come from someone and to some people as has done down through the ages. For this reason I choose to not totally ignore provate revelation. At times such revelation has helped me grow stronger in my faith and prayer and get be back on track.

This is partly why I started this thread to then seek ways to discern good revelation from bad revelation.
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As Christians and Catholics we have the warnings from Jesus Christ and his apostles.

The tilma of our Lady of Guadalupe resulted in the conversion of multitudes of Aztecs.

Bishop Fulton Sheen believes that the miracles surrounding our Lady of Fatima will lead to the eventual conversion of many Muslims, not to mention the conversion of an atheistic Soviet Union.

So, I look at these miraculous phenomenon as the means through which God will convert the unconverted. Otherwise, as Catholics and Christians, I think it is best to remain skeptical, and heed the instructions, edifications, and warnings that we have received from infallible sacred scriptures and the miracles thereof.

God’s peace be with you

micah
 
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