Disconcerting thoughts

[Zeldarocks2]

I’ve come to a dangerous conclusion:

Either Christ is not present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

Or He is powerless to stop me from falling into Sin.

This is the nexus of my conclusion:

I committed probably 3 Mortal Sins after reception of the Eucharist.

If I truly had had an encounter wth the Lamb of God, I wouldn’t have fallen into Sin that easily.

Therefore, either the Church is wrong on the Eucharist and Real presence, or God is unable to keep me holy and blameless and in His sight.

Needless to say, both of these conclusions are extremely troubling.

I did everything right: I prayed the Rosary, I received the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and received the Eucharistic Lord.

I’m afraid for my soul, I need to go to Confession again as soon as possible, or I will go to Hell should I die.

I’m distressed, in tears, hopeless.

 

[Reuben_J]

I’ve come to a dangerous conclusion:

Either Christ is not present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

Or He is powerless to stop me from falling into Sin.

This is the nexus of my conclusion:

I committed probably 3 Mortal Sins after reception of the Eucharist.

If I truly had had an encounter wth the Lamb of God, I wouldn’t have fallen into Sin that easily.

Therefore, either the Church is wrong on the Eucharist and Real presence, or God is unable to keep me holy and blameless and in His sight.

Needless to say, both of these conclusions are extremely troubling.

I did everything right: I prayed the Rosary, I received the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and received the Eucharistic Lord.

I’m afraid for my soul, I need to go to Confession again as soon as possible, or I will go to Hell should I die.

I’m distressed, in tears, hopeless.

It is obviously the second – Christ is powerless to stop anybody from falling into sin.

If it is of any consolation, just remember that everyone, even the saints, is struggling with sins. St. Paul said he did not do the good he wanted, but the evil that he did not want was what he did (Rom 7:19). He went on to say that because he did what he did not want, it was therefore sin which dwelled within him.

Jesus has strong word for things that lead us to sin:

Mark 9:43-47

• And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell.*

When we are in this situation, we can examine ourselves. Sometimes it takes radical action on our part to really overcome sins. And for that we can always ask God to give us the strength to overcome but we have to make our personal decision too.

Sometimes we have to make many sacrifices and to leave much behind in our lives that have become obstacles for us to live pure and holy life.

Ultimately, do not despair, for when we fall we can always come back to God in repentance and He would always be glad to receive us back.

God bless.

 

[Blue_Rose]

Since when does the Eucharist stop us from sinning? It doesn’t! WE choose to sin.

Even if you receive regular sacraments and pray the rosary you’re still going to be tempted, it just means you need to fight that temptation with prayer.

 

[saellis]

Since when does the Eucharist stop us from sinning? It doesn’t! WE choose to sin.

Even if you receive regular sacraments and pray the rosary you’re still going to be tempted, it just means you need to fight that temptation with prayer.

Exactly. The Sacraments give grace. They are not magical spells which override our free will.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

I’ve come to a dangerous conclusion:

Either Christ is not present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

Or He is powerless to stop me from falling into Sin.

This is the nexus of my conclusion:

I committed probably 3 Mortal Sins after reception of the Eucharist.

If I truly had had an encounter wth the Lamb of God, I wouldn’t have fallen into Sin that easily.

Therefore, either the Church is wrong on the Eucharist and Real presence, or God is unable to keep me holy and blameless and in His sight.

Needless to say, both of these conclusions are extremely troubling.

I did everything right: I prayed the Rosary, I received the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and received the Eucharistic Lord.

I’m afraid for my soul, I need to go to Confession again as soon as possible, or I will go to Hell should I die.

I’m distressed, in tears, hopeless.

Your obvoiusly concerned about your relationship with God. And despair from sin is the wedge between you and God, not necessarily the sin itself. But I’m also referring to a person like you, who is remorseful and hurt after giving in to a sin. You don’t necessarily need to run off to confession, it’s not a bath for every time you get dirty. Priests know people sin, they don’t tell people to go to confession twice a week. Go regularly, say, once or twice a month or once a quarter and relax, God loves you!

I don’t think this has anything to do with the real presence. The real presence is just a weak spot for many people, including myself, so it’s one of the first things to be exploited by despair.

 

[pianistclare]

I’ve come to a dangerous conclusion:

Either Christ is not present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

Or He is powerless to stop me from falling into Sin.

This is the nexus of my conclusion:

I committed probably 3 Mortal Sins after reception of the Eucharist.

If I truly had had an encounter wth the Lamb of God, I wouldn’t have fallen into Sin that easily.

Therefore, either the Church is wrong on the Eucharist and Real presence, or God is unable to keep me holy and blameless and in His sight.

Needless to say, both of these conclusions are extremely troubling.

I did everything right: I prayed the Rosary, I received the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and received the Eucharistic Lord.

I’m afraid for my soul, I need to go to Confession again as soon as possible, or I will go to Hell should I die.

I’m distressed, in tears, hopeless.

The things you mention give you grace. They are not magic pills. You alone are responsible for your actions.
Go to confession and resolve not to commit those sins again.

 

[e_c]

Remember what happened on Holy Thursday… 12 men ordained priests, 12 men receiving their First Holy Communion, then one betraying the Lord’s life to make a quick buck who then later hanged himself, 10 men running away in fear from the captive Lord, with one even denying he knew Him.

By comparison, you are probably doing alright.

Perhaps it is more a problem of obsessive-compulsive behavior that makes you think this way. You’ve not shared any details about what you are calling mortal sins (nor do you need to), but the way you say what you say makes it seem like a possibility.

 

[Zeldarocks2]

It started when I was told by my priest that my consecration to Mary was invalid on account of my reading the book in 2 days and then doing the consecration.

I came home after Mass and proceeded to commit what I felt was my first Mortal Sin: eating dinner in a room I wasn’t supposed to, thereby disobeying my parents.

The second Mortal Sin came into effect moments later, when I went to the living room in only my underwear, asking my mom were my clothes were, thereby dishonoring my parents once more.

The third Mortal Sin was truly a Mortal Sin: masturbating and looking at pornography, because I felt that since I was already in Mortal Sin, it would change nothing.

 

[pianistclare]

It started when I was told by my priest that my consecration to Mary was invalid on account of my reading the book in 2 days and then doing the consecration.

I came home after Mass and proceeded to commit what I felt was my first Mortal Sin: eating dinner in a room I wasn’t supposed to, thereby disobeying my parents.

The second Mortal Sin came into effect moments later, when I went to the living room in only my underwear, asking my mom were my clothes were, thereby dishonoring my parents once more.

The third Mortal Sin was truly a Mortal Sin: masturbating and looking at pornography, because I felt that since I was already in Mortal Sin, it would change nothing.

Go back top your priest and tell him everything. He may recommend a good Catholic counselor.
I will pray for you.

 

[ResoluteSheep]

Might you suffer from scrupulosity? I’m a scrupulous person myself but

Mortal sin requires 3 conditions:

1. Grave matter
2. Sufficient reflection (as in thinking, ‘‘I know its wrong hmm but I’m going to commit it’’ which leads to…
3. …full consent of the will

If you lacked any one of these conditions, it is not a mortal sin. But, since mortal sin is rather hard to commit if you’re doing your best to obey and love God, if you fall into mortal sin yourself you cannot blame God for not making you holy enough. Sure, receiving the Eucharist gives us graces, but we must act on the graces given to us.

God can give us all the graces we need, but He requires us do our part too. If we are making no effort on our part to change, the graces would be there - but unused.

 

[ResoluteSheep]

It started when I was told by my priest that my consecration to Mary was invalid on account of my reading the book in 2 days and then doing the consecration.

I came home after Mass and proceeded to commit what I felt was my first Mortal Sin: eating dinner in a room I wasn’t supposed to, thereby disobeying my parents.

The second Mortal Sin came into effect moments later, when I went to the living room in only my underwear, asking my mom were my clothes were, thereby dishonoring my parents once more.

The third Mortal Sin was truly a Mortal Sin: masturbating and looking at pornography, because I felt that since I was already in Mortal Sin, it would change nothing.

For the first one: I really don’t think it is mortal sin. Mortal sin requires GRAVE matter, but still it is venial sin and should be avoided at all cost.

For the second one: Dude, I really don’t think that is a sin. Unless you really intended to dishonor your parents on purpose out of contempt or hate, then would rise to the level of grave matter. I highly doubt it is a venial sin at all if you just casually walked by accident or without thinking about it beforehand. Even if you thought ‘‘meh it’s my home so why not right?’’ I don’t think it is a sin, unless for a malicious intention.

For the third one: Yes, that is a mortal sin. You need to change that kind of thinking, if you are in mortal sin, make an act of perfect contrition and resolve not to sin again. We should not purposely sin after committing a mortal sin, absolutely not! A common question is ‘‘Well, how do I know I made perfect contrition and not imperfect contrition?’’ the answer is: we never know. It is either out of fear of hell or hurt that we offended God. Still, we should resolve not to sin again and go to confession at the earliest time possible

By sinning mortally after committing one mortal sin (as you thought you’ve committed one) you make the state of your soul worst and more prone to sin. ***Instead, do the opposite. If you’re in a state of grace and make an act of perfect contrition, you strengthen your soul against temptation and increases in love for God making it harder to sin the next time.

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[e_c]

It started when I was told by my priest that my consecration to Mary was invalid on account of my reading the book in 2 days and then doing the consecration.

I came home after Mass and proceeded to commit what I felt was my first Mortal Sin: eating dinner in a room I wasn’t supposed to, thereby disobeying my parents.

The second Mortal Sin came into effect moments later, when I went to the living room in only my underwear, asking my mom were my clothes were, thereby dishonoring my parents once more.

The third Mortal Sin was truly a Mortal Sin: masturbating and looking at pornography, because I felt that since I was already in Mortal Sin, it would change nothing.

Welcome to the world of scruples. It’s clear from how you write - let alone what you say were “Mortal Sins” (with capitals!) - that you suffer from this affliction. It’s not an easy thing. Look around CAF for resources, there are plenty.

There may have been some slight guilt in the first thing you mention, but… only maybe. Without knowing the entirety of the circumstances, that’s what I can say. And we are talking VERY slight.

The second one is just not a sin, unless there is some special motivation or circumstance.

The third one is an actual problem, for both the action and the license taken to commit the action. Suppose we thought like that with regards to normal relationships - “I’ve already deeply offended my father, so what will deeply offending him again mean?” It means he will be even more offended, of course. Heaven and Hell are not one-size-fits-all… There is more and less reward and punishment, according to merits and demerits. So never think like that again.

Look for the resources out there on scrupulosity, and perhaps devote some time to studying a few basics of moral theology. Start with the Catechism.

AND, RIGHT NOW, make an act of perfect contrition, with the intention of going to confession soon! This brings forgiveness, and the confession itself confirms it as well as reconciles you to the Church. God forgives us as soon as we are truly contrite and wish for reconciliation with His Church through that Sacrament.

 

[pianistclare]

Welcome to the world of scruples. It’s clear from how you write - let alone what you say were “Mortal Sins” (with capitals!) - that you suffer from this affliction. It’s not an easy thing. Look around CAF for resources, there are plenty.

There may have been some slight guilt in the first thing you mention, but… only maybe. Without knowing the entirety of the circumstances, that’s what I can say. And we are talking VERY slight.

The second one is just not a sin, unless there is some special motivation or circumstance.

The third one is an actual problem, for both the action and the license taken to commit the action. Suppose we thought like that with regards to normal relationships - “I’ve already deeply offended my father, so what will deeply offending him again mean?” It means he will be even more offended, of course. Heaven and Hell are not one-size-fits-all… There is more and less reward and punishment, according to merits and demerits. So never think like that again.

Look for the resources out there on scrupulosity, and perhaps devote some time to studying a few basics of moral theology. Start with the Catechism.

AND, RIGHT NOW, make an act of perfect contrition, with the intention of going to confession soon! This brings forgiveness, and the confession itself confirms it as well as reconciles you to the Church. God forgives us as soon as we are truly contrite and wish for reconciliation with His Church through that Sacrament.

Yes.

 

[LiamQ]

I’ve come to a dangerous conclusion:

Either Christ is not present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

Or He is powerless to stop me from falling into Sin.

There’s at least a third option: receiving Holy Communion by no means removes our free will, and we can choose to reject God despite the fact that He has been so good to us. This is especially true if we have sins in our lives which we, deep down, refuse to relinquish or perhaps even rationalize away.

 

[Blue_Rose]

Ok… so I’ve just looked at this users other posts and he has posted about that he is in a gay relationship and engaged.
And then on here acts as if he is a 12 year old dishonouring his parents and then other posts he is asking to be consecrated to Mary?

This is either a troll account or someone who needs help from a psychiatrist.

Sorry to be blunt but have a look for yourselves.

 

[Zeldarocks2]

Ok… so I’ve just looked at this users other posts and he has posted about that he is in a gay relationship and engaged.
And then on here acts as if he is a 12 year old dishonouring his parents and then other posts he is asking to be consecrated to Mary?

This is either a troll account or someone who needs help from a psychiatrist.

Sorry to be blunt but have a look for yourselves.

I’m going to answer this in as charitable a manner as possible:

1. That post about my being engaged is about a year-old, a lot has changed since then, including the seriousness of my relationship with God.
2. I have OCD and suffer from scrupulousity, which explains my recent comments on Mortal Sin.
3. I have recently consecrated myself to Mary in an attempt to live a holier life, and I was wondering about the validity of my consecration.