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Rightlydivide
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But if my code of ethics does not preclude me from doing harm to you because I am not connected to you in my opinion, it is not morally wrong.
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Rightlydivide
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No of course not. But if you do not give blood, or donate to charities, or do service work, or help people, it is ok. By what standard do you invoke the concept of good?Just because I am Discordian doesn’t mean I am selfish. I give blood, donate to charities, do service work, help my friends when they need it. I’d do anything for people I care about, and for things I care about. I try to be a good person, and help people.
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Trishie
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I spoke of it not in personal terms but as an ideology. You have some Christian values which is natural, as these have helped to form society to an extent for millennia. Yours is a personal response, however, what I said still stands. The basic ideology is incompatible with Christianity, which doesn’t mean you don’t have what are some Christian values. The goddess would be considered a false god and idolatry. And it does in fact prevent a person from finding God with any sort of integrity. Rejecting absolutes means that a person is rejecting God, who along with God’s realities and truths, is absolute.Just because I am Discordian doesn’t mean I am selfish. I give blood, donate to charities, do service work, help my friends when they need it. I’d do anything for people I care about, and for things I care about. I try to be a good person, and help people.
It is also the case that even if we don’t acknowledge God as God is, and God’s truths, we do have God’s life in us, and therefore can choose to accept graces of charity from that life of God within our souls, or not. Not believe in in God doesn’t mean God is not. and cannot act within our souls where we are wiling to accept and to share God’s love with others by acts of practical kindness. However, by rejecting God we are impoverishing ourselves since God wishes to give so much more.
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Eris_Discordia
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In general, I have not seen rules against harming others, but then again, I still have a long way to go in my research. I’ve only been able to read the Principia recently, and I am still studying various other sects of Discordianism. I don’t have a solid answer as of yet, because I am still really studying it. It’s not easy to study :hypno: Sorry for such a vague answer. Also, speaking from my own standpoint, I would never harm someone unless in self defense, but if it was in your morals to try, then it would be in my morals to stop you from trying, in this hypothetical situation.
Mental gymnastics. Thanks for making me think about this. I never really though about it before, and it is something I am going to have to spend some time really meditating on.
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Eris_Discordia
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I guess I do, then. Which is OK for me. I’ve thought a lot about what my faith is and WAS a Catholic until 2 years ago, when I went to Wicca, then Discordianism. Now, I am not saying at all that you should all run out and buy a copy of The Principia, but it works for me. I do respect faith, all faith, and have seen the Catholic faith get my family through a lot of rough times. Also, like I said, nothing is absolute, and time might change. I’m not ruling out anything. I only posted this because I have been asked about my faith several times, and I didn’t want to have to thread-jack any more threads to explain myself.
I’m glad you have faith in God, and I do appreciate your faith and willingness to talk to me.
I respect it a good deal, though I have a different path.
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Eris_Discordia
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I actually take a little Wiccan in this. “Harm None”. However “Good” is kind of an objective term. I think all works can be considered both good and bad, looking at the reasoning. For example, giving blood could be considered bad because of my weight, and because I skipped doing homework to do it. However, it’s “good” because I helped save people’s lives. It’s kind of that kind of thing. You look at everything from two sides. I belive I’ve read some of your posts where you mentioned looking at the world in a different way (Forgive me if I am thinking of another poster), and it was very weird, and not a lot of people understood what you were talking about. It’s kind of like that.
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GKC
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Fnord.There are a lot of people here who have asked me about my religion, and there are some who have no idea what it is. It’s a very small religion, so that’s understandable. Anyway, I would like to tell you a little bit about it.
I am Discordian, which is a 1950’s religion started by Greg Hill, under the pseudonym Mal-2. It is pretty much just what the name says. It’s the devotion to Eris, Greek Goddess of Chaos and Disorder, also known to the Romans as Discordia. We revel in chaos and disorder. This is pretty much the short answer. As opposed to order, we believe chaos and dissent are just as valuable, and we do not believe in absolute morality. The religion itself doesn’t even need to be considered a religion. It’s pretty much whatever the practitioner wants it to be. Most people who are Discordian don’t have it as their sole belief system.
That was just a little background. Now for some of what we believe. The book, the Principia Discordia, is the book that most Discordians have read, and that is what pretty much started the religion. Discordians encourage dissent, schisms, and different sects forming in the religion itself. As a Discordian, I am free to interpret my beliefs any way that I want.
I choose to be a solitary Discordian, and have no one but myself in my sect. My sect does focus on dissent, but also more on going against the grain of society, and seeing things as a spectrum, not in black and white. There is no moral absolute, and nothing is black and white. Not even gender. I consider myself gender neutral, and androgynous. I am also bisexual/pansexual. Pansexual is basically being attracted to someone no matter what their gender is, and this includes anyone outside the gender norm. Now, before anyone asks, this only applies to adults.
I am also a Pope: The rights of a Pope include but are not necessarily limited to:
Notice the last one. It’s all about breaking down the barriers.
Our symbol is the sacred Chao, which is a Yin-Yang, with a pentagram on one side and the Golden Apple on the other.
We also have 5 commandments.
he Pentabarf is the doctrine of Discordianism. It is as follows:
The last one completely disestablishes all of the other commandments. If you are still following me, congratulations, because it’s not easy to follow.
Anyway, there is a lot more to it than just quoting the Principia. To break it down into the simplest terms, it’s simply whatever you want it to be.
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Trishie
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Not believing in God as absolute doesn’t mean God is not absolute and cannot act within our souls where we are willing to accept and to share God’s love with others by acts of practical kindness. Absolute truth is absolute truth, whether we accept it or not.
I ask God to protect vulnerable people from allowing themselves to be distracted by attractive yet misleading ideologies that prevent them from finding their way to God. And to lead back those who have been distracted, while not having fully explored God’s revelations and gifts
“The time is sure to come when, far from being content with sound teaching, people will be avid for the latest novelty and collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and instead of listening to the truth, they will turn to myths.” [2 Timothy 3:3-5]
May God protect them and draw them gently to Himself.
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Eris_Discordia
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I think it all comes down to belief in differing gods. Because of the nature of my deity, and of other Greek deities in general, none of them had absolute power (Well, arguably Zeus, but that is a different discussion). Like I said, I admire your total belief in God, and devotion to him.
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FabiusMaximus
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But I like order, law, and tradition! 
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Trishie
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“Have nothing to do with the pointless philosophical discussions and antagonistic beliefs of the ‘knowledge’ which is not knowledge at all; by adopting this, some have gone right away from the faith. Grace be with you.” [1 Timothy 6 20-21]
“Listen to me, devout children, and blossom
like the rose that grows on the bank of a watercourse.
Give off a sweet smell like incense,
flower like the lily; spread your fragrance abroad,
sing a song of praise
blessing the Lord for all His works.
Declare the greatness of His name,
proclaim His praise
with song and lyre,
and this is how you must sing God’s wonderful praises:
how wonderful they are, all the works of the Lord!
All that He orders is promptly carried out…
At His bidding, all His pleasure is accomplished,
no one can diminish His power to save.
The actions of every creature are before Him,
there is no hiding from His eyes;
His gaze stretches from eternity to eternity,
and nothing can astonish Him.
You must not say, ‘What is this? Why is that?’
All things have been created for their proper purpose.” [Ecclesiasticus 39:13-26]
“Anyone who welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes Me. But anyone who is an obstacle to bring down one of these little ones who have faith in me would be better drowned in the depths of the sea with a great millstone around his neck.” [Matthew 18:5-7] May God protect all vulnerable souls from being drawn away from Him.
“Listen to me, devout children, and blossom
like the rose that grows on the bank of a watercourse.
Give off a sweet smell like incense,
flower like the lily; spread your fragrance abroad,
sing a song of praise
blessing the Lord for all His works.
Declare the greatness of His name,
proclaim His praise
with song and lyre,
and this is how you must sing God’s wonderful praises:
how wonderful they are, all the works of the Lord!
All that He orders is promptly carried out…
At His bidding, all His pleasure is accomplished,
no one can diminish His power to save.
The actions of every creature are before Him,
there is no hiding from His eyes;
His gaze stretches from eternity to eternity,
and nothing can astonish Him.
You must not say, ‘What is this? Why is that?’
All things have been created for their proper purpose.” [Ecclesiasticus 39:13-26]
“Anyone who welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes Me. But anyone who is an obstacle to bring down one of these little ones who have faith in me would be better drowned in the depths of the sea with a great millstone around his neck.” [Matthew 18:5-7] May God protect all vulnerable souls from being drawn away from Him.
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dzheremi
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More neo-hippie new-age nonsense. There’s a reason why philosophies like this appeal mostly to a tiny, disaffected and/or crazy portion of society (or those looking for their place in the world who feel alienated from established religions): Because the majority of people who are past a certain age have successfully balanced their desire to do what they want and believe as they wish with some kind of absolute moral/cultural/social constraint, and so don’t feel a need to join a “religion” that is all about acting like a ridiculous dime-store philosopher, giving themselves silly pseudonyms and waffling on about “The Goddess” and reveling in “chaos”. Frankly it sounds like a bad sci-fi movie plot, in keeping with its origins in the 1950s. Might as well join a religion dedicated to Star Trek or something. (I think I’m joking, but that’s probably a real thing somewhere, too. Ugh.)
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AJTheMan
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Well, there is the Jedii Faith, which has consistently claimed 1% of the population in many countries.
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CHRISTINE77
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Man I wonder what your house looks like if you worship chaos!There are a lot of people here who have asked me about my religion, and there are some who have no idea what it is. It’s a very small religion, so that’s understandable. Anyway, I would like to tell you a little bit about it.
I am Discordian, which is a 1950’s religion started by Greg Hill, under the pseudonym Mal-2. It is pretty much just what the name says. It’s the devotion to Eris, Greek Goddess of Chaos and Disorder, also known to the Romans as Discordia. We revel in chaos and disorder. This is pretty much the short answer. As opposed to order, we believe chaos and dissent are just as valuable, and we do not believe in absolute morality. The religion itself doesn’t even need to be considered a religion. It’s pretty much whatever the practitioner wants it to be. Most people who are Discordian don’t have it as their sole belief system.
Seriously, I think we are here to perfect ourselves, not let everything go to you know where. This is done by having order, rationality and purpose. Christianity is actually a difficult religion, as it requires a lot of self-examination, repentence and change.
I know you are young, but don’t go too far astray. The right road is the straight and narrow.
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Rightlydivide
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Did you ever go to church Eris?You dont have to answer if you dont want to.
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CB_Catholic
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I am not meaning to belittle you or yourr beliefs, but I know plenty of people who hold the same philosophy as you do, live as you do, and don’t follow the goddess of discord or read the Principa, etc. This has been going on since man was created. The founder of your belief system just gave it a different name and tried to codify the system. There is nothing new under the sun.
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puzzleannie
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oh you learned all this in college. that explains a lotI should have specified! Opps.I’ve actually learned a great deal about Buddhism in college. .
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cheese_sdc
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Do you understand Eris to be a Manifestation of the Ultimate Divine, or as a distinct and separate metaphysical personality?
Or do you understand Eris to be a purely psychological of an unconscious archetype?
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Trishie
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…Many who go through college retain their faith and their bearings…
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