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There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
 
Well he did say Turn the other cheek and show mercy.

Two people in an argument, both wrong.
 
Why couldn’t people go and talk to him personally? Why go through this big campaign to fire him? I think this sounds way over the top. Discrimination and name calling is not appropriate but bullying him in return doesn’t seem appropriate either.
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
I don’t know if it would be wrong to fire him over it. Managers, no matter how argumentative customers can be, have a responsibility to remain calm, and certainly to avoid derogatory language like that. If he can’t manage that, is he suited to be a manager? 🤷

We are not called to ever “ignore” immoral behavior - but how to respond to it is a big question. I wouldn’t say that you are called to support or not support the manager based on this story since it is only a story to you - not involving people you know personally. The decision to fire or not fire is placed on his supervisors. You can certainly pray for all of the people involved.
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
What yo write suggests that if there is a petition being got together to get the manager fired, then management has not fired him and ‘outside forces’ are at work to get him fired. Is that correct?

If that is the case, then the petition amounts to little more than back stabbing and bullying, albeit carried out by a group of people who have a similar mindset. It is hard to judge either the customer or the manager from what you wrote, but it wouldn’t be too far off the mark to state that in the heat of an argument things ‘got said’. Whoopdeedoo. Half the human race could be found guilty of that at some stage in their lives! Usually pride enters such an argument and one, or both, can’t back down and so ‘things’ get said.

However, if someone is so aggrieved that they then try to use the weight of numbers to adversely affect another person, is it just, or unjust? That’s the pertinent question.
And was the comment that caused the supposed hurt discriminatory, or just derogatory? Not all derogatory comments are discriminatory and not all discriminatory comments are derogatory either. Unless, of course, you view all discrimination as derogatory.
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
The facts are not clear. If the manager is not racist but said this in the heat of the moment, he should at the least apologise sincerely to the customer. He should show a good example to the other employees. If he is a racist, I do not care if he is fired. However, you should know all the facts to make an assessment.
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
I don’t know how legitimate or effective such a petition would be, but make sure your context and facts are as accurate as possible. Don’t sign anything based on he-said she-said.
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.
I think it’s disgusting that people would behave like this!

Imagine getting divorced after your first argument with your wife? Would anyone still be married?
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
Sounds like revenge to me!
Also how can others sign a petition when they were not present to witness what was actually said. They would simply be acting on hearsay.
 
Sounds like revenge to me!
Also how can others sign a petition when they were not present to witness what was actually said. They would simply be acting on hearsay.
This.

There are two sides and I bet you didn’t hear them both.
 
Thistle and Calgar gave excellent responses. Unless you witnessed the event, it would not be prudent to support a petition for firing.

One person’s report, no matter how well intended, is not enough. The owner should investigate, get other reports and then decide the proper correction. Taking the totality of the circumstance, and letting the punishment fit the crime, there may be a range of less harsh actions that would impress upon the manager the constant need for restraint in language in dealing with staff and customers.

To demand perfection in all circumstances, or be fired seems a bit unrealistic. Especially if the manager is known to be otherwise pretty good at his or her job.

We are called to be Christlike. Christ came to FORGIVE not to Condemn. Reasonable people can find a way to reconcile.
 
There is a petiton going on in my community, to get a specific manager fired from a restaraunt because the manager got into an argument with the customer and used a discriminatory comment about her(customer) race. Thus, the petition to get him fired.

I think it’s going over the top to get him fired, but it was wrong if the story is true what happened. What do you all think of this? Do you think God/Jesus would want us to ignore this type of behavior, or take action ?
All states prohibit discriminatinon based upon race (among many other things). In this case, the restaurant is a public access entitity. The manager was expressing his opinion, but as a representative of the restaurant or public access entity, he violated the law. He should be fired if found to be true because he put the restaurant in jeopardy.

And God would not want us to ignore it when we come upon such violations, nor does God want us to violate secular laws. He broke the law.

But, I question the petioning aspect as extra-judicial. Certainly the woman has a right to file a complaint that will be investigated and witnesses interviewed, with any state or local Human Rights Commission. Both sides have an opportunity to be heard. I was not there, so I would not be able to sign the petition because that assumes I know the truth of the story and was there. I don’t sign petitions as a rule, but that’s me.

I would hope that anyone who signs the petition is aware of the facts and it is not just a petition that would include signatures from anyone and everywhere, because the circumstances that may lead to the firing should be based upon a specific set of facts that must be evident to the signor of the petition. I know how these petitions sometimes work, and it’s the number of names that carry the weight – not the truth of what they seek to address. So, I don’t sign something that specific, preferring to let the restaurant and the law handle it.

The firing, if one is to be done, must be done based upon fact. If the owner heard it, he can take action (based on policy of the restaurant, which usually comports to the law) and the manager could fight it, as would be his right to do so. Or the state can ajudicate the matter with a resolution that may include firing.
 
All states prohibit discriminatinon based upon race (among many other things). He broke the law.
lol

Calling someone a name is not discrimination.

By the way, what law is it that you think says I can’t call someone an insulting name? Please be specific.
 
I don’t know if it would be wrong to fire him over it. Managers, no matter how argumentative customers can be, have a responsibility to remain calm, and certainly to avoid derogatory language like that. If he can’t manage that, is he suited to be a manager? 🤷
This, so very much: If a manager can’t keep his cool in a tense situation, he’s not cut out for the job and should be removed from it. They’re the ones who usually have to defuse a situation when a customer is being overly difficult/causing a scene, and if they’re only making an already tense situation even worse, then their behavior is as bad as that of the customer. It also sets a bad example to the clerks, etc. under them, plus, it’s an abuse of their authority.
 
lol

Calling someone a name is not discrimination.

By the way, what law is it that you think says I can’t call someone an insulting name? Please be specific.
Read again. The poster said it was a discriminatory comment based on the woman’s race. And for that there’s legal recourse in places of public accomodation. But, unless I was there, I would not sign a petition of any kind.
 
Read again. The poster said it was a discriminatory comment based on the woman’s race.
I read that. Still doesn’t change what I said. Tell me which law specifically says that I cannot insult a person in public.

Discrimination laws protect you from being discriminated against. Like when you apply for a job. They don’t mean you can throw someone in prison for calling you a mean name. :tiphat:
 
Sounds like revenge to me!
Also how can others sign a petition when they were not present to witness what was actually said. They would simply be acting on hearsay.
Of course, and that’s why I wouldn’t sign it, because I don’t know exactly what happened.
 
Whether you sign the petition to get him fired is really immaterial to the matter at hand. You titled this thread “Descrimination”. From the story you told, descrimination of a racial variety took place when, in an argument between a manager and a customer (which often occur), said manager let slip, in what I can only imagine to be a grand display of unprofessionalism and incompetance, a racial slur. I’m a musician who’s currently earning a degree. In my business, tension can run dramatically high, especially when dealing with personalities we don’t typically enjoy (which might be…all the time). Despite the disagreements we have, we (to a much larger extent than for which we are given credit) refrain from making fools of ourselves and the people we represent (directors, managers, patrons, instructors, etc.) by settling our differences in the moment and then if we still have some steam, blowing it off by talking a friend’s ear off about the matter later.

What happened at this place of business on the part of both parties was probably foolish. What the manager did, however, I just don’t comprehend. What I comprehend even less are some of the responses I’ve seen. Let’s turn this scenario on its head:

Let’s say you’re at this place of business, waiting in line while you watch this carnage unfold. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that you’re not alone: you have your 6 year old son/daughter with you. Do you want to have to explain to him/her what just happened? If you had to do so, wouldn’t you hold the manager responsible for what he said with regards to a customer’s race? How would you feel walking up to the front desk with your child, putting on a game face, and pretending the ordeal didn’t happen while he/she stands next to you completely confused? Moreover, would you want that manager to continue working there?

But wait, why stop there?

Let’s presume, just for the sake of argument, that you are also of the same race as the person who just got publically insulted with respect to their race.

I don’t know the races involved and I won’t speculate. I’ll just say that being African American, I’ve been called some nasty things. Not necessarily by a manager of a business and not necessarily by anyone whose intelligence I consider to be exceptional, mind you. It still doesn’t change the fact that something that external, exposed, and immutable being insulted is such a low, cheap blow. As Catholics who are constantly preaching the dignity of the human person, is it really appropriate to say that something like this, in the grand scheme of things, is just as much a misunderstanding as anything else and that this manager, while he was within his right to not be shouted down by a customer, chose one of the dumbest ways to “win” an argument, but it’s not really our call as to how immoral it may be? Granted the customer probably said some inappropriate things herself, the manager still represents the business. If a priest got into an argument with a parishioner and let slip a racial slur, what would be the magnitude of this issue? I think it’s safe to presume that most (certainly not all) of the people here are caucasian and have probably never encountered a racial slur that could be directed at themselves. Just take a minute and think of how it would feel to be derogatorily referred to as something less-than because you were in a stupid argument. I’m not saying you should take one side over the other. I’m just saying that not everyone sees the world the same way, especially when it comes to issues like this (AKA, issues that don’t affect the majority of people) and that speculating the motives of a group of concerned people is just as bad as speculating the events of an altercation.

God bless,

Rob
 
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