Discussing Mary

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JoeyWarren said:
This thought just occurred to me after reading this a second time.

Why are you looking at others while the creed is being said?

Why are you worried about what others are doing and when?

You should be worried about what you are doing, not others. Correct?

IMHO when one is saying the Creed during Mass, one should really have his eyes somewhat closed and meditating and believing what is being said instead of letting your eyes wander.

And if some happen to bowing specifically at the Virgin Mary part, then that is their business and not yours. You will be held accountable for your own actions and thoughts as they will be held accountable for their own actions and thoughts.

If I was you I would be wary about how you are judging your fellow parishoners. It is frightening to me to think about being judge by the same measure. We have no idea how that measure will be assembled in the mind of God. The warning there in scripture is there for good reason.
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Correct, but you have to remember, I’m a Baptist convert, and though I pray the Rosary daily, I still carry some “baggage.” It takes a while to work through.

For example, the phrase “Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope” was difficult for me to say, because it sounded like it was saying Mary is our life, sweetness and hope. LilyM said it referred to Jesus, and it was like saying Mother of Mercy (i.e. Jesus) **who is **our Life, our Sweetness, and our Hope. Iwas happy to hear it, but she was unable to provide a Church document or something to back it up. I asked a priest earlier this year, and he confirmed it. It was wonderful to hear it, and I can pray the Rosary with more sincerity.

The bow disturbs me because it may lead others to Mary worship, which the Church condemns (see Pope JPII’s encyclical introducing the the Luminous Mysteries.)
 
Larry1700 said:
The bow disturbs me because it may lead others to Mary worship, which the Church condemns (see Pope JPII’s encyclical introducing the the Luminous Mysteries.)
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Now you know so go share the truth!

Might be a good homily topic for the feast of the Annunciation.

M
 
Larry said:
Correct, but you have to remember, I’m a Baptist convert, and though I pray the Rosary daily, I still carry some “baggage.” It takes a while to work through.
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I hear ya buddy! Some of us work through it quick enough and some of us it will take the remainder of our physical life…

But like I said before. It is an issue. And I think if you have a good Priest and you point out the concern, he should be more than willing to momentarily address the congregation on the issue.

And if he refuses, take it up with his Bishop. You can find your Bishop here. usccb.org/bishops.shtml
 
The source for this quote below is from a catholic source on the assumption of Mary.

The first mention of it is by Epiphanius in 377 A.D. and he specifically states that no one knows what actually happened to Mary. He lived near Palestine and if there were, in fact, a tradition in the Church generally believed and taught he would have affirmed it. But he clearly states that ‘her end no one knows.’ These are his words:

But if some think us mistaken, let them search the Scriptures. They will not find Mary’s death; they will not find whether she died or did not die; they will not find whether she was buried or was not buried … Scripture is absolutely silent [on the end of Mary] … For my own part, I do not dare to speak, but I keep my own thoughts and I practice silence … The fact is, Scripture has outstripped the human mind and left [this matter] uncertain … Did she die, we do not know … Either the holy Virgin died and was buried … Or she was killed … Or she remained alive, since nothing is impossible with God and He can do whatever He desires; for her end no-one knows.’ (Epiphanius, Panarion, Haer. 78.10-11, 23. Cited by juniper Carol, O.F.M. ed., Mariology, Vol. II (Milwaukee: Bruce, 1957), pp. 139-40).

To think that something like this was unknown in the church for over 300 years is absolutely mind-boggling. Also does it also trouble you that this dioctrine is based on a heretical work called apocryphal Gospel known as the Transitus Beatae Mariae?
 
Hi all,

No time on the forums with any regularity. I see this thread is several pages ahead of where I was before, and before, I was behind.

Sorry for the lack, but I will bow out of the thread since I cannot keep up the pace lately.

God Bless all:)

Maria
 
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