Discussion needed on H.R. 1913 ... Hate Speech

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And considering that the government in Canada now “inspects” some Churchs for hate, it is logical to consider that that can happen here in the US. Why is it logical? Ideology knows no boundries.
You’re being unnecessarily alarmist. Canada and the US have different legal and judicial traditions as well as different cultures. The US does not tolerate hate speech laws - federal court rulings protecting both Nazis and KKK free speech are proof of that.
 
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You’re being unnecessarily alarmist. Canada and the US have different legal and judicial traditions as well as different cultures. The US does not tolerate hate speech laws - federal court rulings protecting both Nazis and KKK free speech are proof of that.
Well, it’s better to keep the government on it’s toes, than to sit back and relax. And our culture does change. It is very much different than it was 60 years ago. And even more differant than it was 100 years ago. We have thousands of more laws today than ever before. And it generally wasn’t accepted for government to be buying up private business years ago, like it is today, either.
 
You’re being unnecessarily alarmist. Canada and the US have different legal and judicial traditions as well as different cultures. The US does not tolerate hate speech laws - federal court rulings protecting both Nazis and KKK free speech are proof of that.
Sorry, but I totally disagree with you. First off, here in America, we are already inundated with the whole “politically correct” speech requirements…can’t say anything that may “offend” someone else.

An example of such can be seen in what we call “harrassment” laws…when someone at work, for instance, makes a joke or comment that may be construed as sexually offensive to someone else…it can get them not only fired, but also they can be charged with sexual harrassment and can be subject to fines, fees and “retribution”.

And more recently, we have seen a report come out of the Dept. of Homeland Security that raises attention towards people with particular views, including those who are pro-life…it cautions that those of us who hold “right-wing” values, ideals or beliefs, may be “dangerous” to society.

Finally, when is being an “alarmist” not practical or realistic? Abortion, based on an “alarmist” need…the new law that protecst monkeys and chimps, based on ONE incident…“alarmist”…best of all…GLOBAL WARMING…please tell me, that’s not the biggest “alarmist” example of all??? We are all supposed to be terrified by an UNPROVEN “science”!!! :rolleyes:
 
Sorry, but I totally disagree with you. First off, here in America, we are already inundated with the whole “politically correct” speech requirements…can’t say anything that may “offend” someone else.
People in the US are welcome to say as many rude things as they would like, but free speech doesn’t exempt a person from being responsible. We are accountable for our actions.
An example of such can be seen in what we call “harrassment” laws…when someone at work, for instance, makes a joke or comment that may be construed as sexually offensive to someone else…it can get them not only fired, but also they can be charged with sexual harrassment and can be subject to fines, fees and “retribution”.
Workplaces have an interest in promoting a safe environment for all employees. Sexual harassment is an awful thing, if you are the one being harassed.
And more recently, we have seen a report come out of the Dept. of Homeland Security that raises attention towards people with particular views, including those who are pro-life…it cautions that those of us who hold “right-wing” values, ideals or beliefs, may be “dangerous” to society.
Profiling is a long established criminal justice practice. Muslims in the US have suffered with profiling since 9/11 (and African-Americans have complained about it for even longer), but I haven’t heard too many conservatives complaining about that. But, like sexual harassment, I guess it doesn’t feel so harmless when it affects you.
 
You’re being unnecessarily alarmist. Canada and the US have different legal and judicial traditions as well as different cultures. The US does not tolerate hate speech laws - federal court rulings protecting both Nazis and KKK free speech are proof of that.
look at the way talk-radio and certain conservative commentators are being accused of being responsible for Tillers murder in the msm. this thinking, no matter how illogical or inaccurate, will have the power of the federal govt when HR 1913 is signed into law.
 
And more recently, we have seen a report come out of the Dept. of Homeland Security that raises attention towards people with particular views, including those who are pro-life…it cautions that those of us who hold “right-wing” values, ideals or beliefs, may be “dangerous” to society.
I’ve actually read the memo. While most of it is reasonable concern over nazis, some of it is just downright stupid. For instance, there’s even one category by which liberals could be defined as “right-wing extremists”. Just more government stupidity.
 
re-read what makes the principals. it could be read to imply that a pastor speaking against homosexulaity or gay marriage is “inducing”.
it could also be read to say that a homosexual speaking to a group about how evil the Catholic church is for not allowing gay marriage would be inducing violence against Catholics.
 
it could also be read to say that a homosexual speaking to a group about how evil the Catholic church is for not allowing gay marriage would be inducing violence against Catholics.
true, so this bill ought to be stopped from becoming law.
 
true, so this bill ought to be stopped from becoming law.
My point was-it “could” be interpreted as saying lots of things it doesn’t actually say. Rejecting it on what it does say would be a far better argument.
 
My point was-it “could” be interpreted as saying lots of things it doesn’t actually say. Rejecting it on what it does say would be a far better argument.
first its unnecessary, second its worded vaguely enough to allow for any scenario the curernt powers determine.
 
it could also be read to say that a homosexual speaking to a group about how evil the Catholic church is for not allowing gay marriage would be inducing violence against Catholics.
Sorry, but it doesn’t work both ways. Under this law, some animals are more equal than others.
 
Conyars knows better…this bill is designed to silence all opposition to anti-Christian behavior and thus defense. We call this the pedophile protection act…news releases on worldnetdaily reveal such events occuring now…a preacher condemnes homosexuality by quoting from the bible and will be arrested for upsetting any sitting in the pews…or if a man likes to take peeps at others thru a hole in the wall…ala psycho flick and a person becomes aware of this and slugs the creep…that person will now face federal charges…in other words 1984 is finally here all are equal but some are more equal then others. This gradualism towards a communist police state has almost made the complete circle! our brothers and sisters in Christ in china know full well what I am warning about…as the saying goes…I am frugal and you are cheap…its all in the wording and deftinition. Lets charge mucho taxes for a pack of smokes but then call for legalizing you know what for strictly medical purposes…if it were not so serious its laughable…like bring the boys home but on the way stop in afghanistan for another no win war…madness…sheer madness.
 
This seems to be one of the aims. To continue, I don’t think it just stops at preachers or priests.
If that is the case, that is is indeed vile and disgusting. Political Correctness now is invading the Pulpit. Attempting to control how God’s Representatives interpret the Truth of Scripture. :mad:

In other words, “Stick with taking about Love and Justice and Universal Brotherhood----skip the issues WE have decided you can’t talk about or criticize. And BTW, welcome to the Borg Collective. Resistance is futile.”

John did say in Revelation that Satan through the Antichrist would have dominion over Principalities and thoughts of people.:eek:
If this is not Satanic-inspired, I do not know what is.
 
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