Discussion topic Scripture states God drove the man out of the Garden of Eden. The woman wasnt mentioned

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EloyCraft said:
God announces the woman’s punishment without stating an act of sin.
No one is being punished for the act of eating.
God says to the serpent “because you have done this” after asking the woman " what is this that you have done?"
Almost seems like Eve wasn’t fully culpable. Maybe the serpent is culpable for the woman’s act of eating. Scandalized by the father of lies. Adam’s sin isn’t eating the fruit it’s listening to the voice of His wife. Listening to the voice of is biblical language for acceptance/ obedience to communication from another as if it were from God.

It seems Adam is fully to blame for his deed no one else. The Serpent seems fully to blame for his deed and the woman’s.

Don’t know if she is culpable or not.

Maybe that has something to do with only Adam mentioned as expelled.
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Their sin, both Adam and Eve, was disobeying God, rebellion, wanting to become like God in knowledge.
They could have said no, both of them, regardless of crafty cunning serents hissing in their ear 🐍
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
Reading Genesis 3:22-24

God drove the man out of the Garden of Eden. There is no mention of the woman being driven out also.
I find this interesting and think of a few reasons as to why.
One I have is
Did God know the woman would follow the man out of the garden?

Lets discuss this from an Ancient cultural perspective and from the various translations, rather then a fundamentalist literal perspective.
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I believe it goes back to who God held responsible for all that had happened. God created Adam, then from his rib created Eve to be a helpmate (Gen 2). During the Fall, God goes to Adam as the one responsible first, then to Eve, then the serpent. Then he curses the serpent, then Eve, delivering Adam the harshest curse of the three. I think the fact that the scriptures only mention the man because of his position of responsibility, assuming the woman will go with the man.
 
There is a pattern in the text of the Old Testament n some verses you have well highlighted here.

chiasmus.

It highlights and brings home a point and was well understood by the ancient biblical authors
 
EndTimes said:
God is the Author of Sacred / Holy / Of and From God - Scriptures
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God is the author of life. God used humans, over several thousand years and many generations, as the authors of Sacred Scripture. Look up the meaning of the word.
 
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OurLadyofSorrows said:
God is the author of life. God used humans, over several thousand years and many generations, as the authors of Sacred Scripture. Look up the meaning of the word.
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God Authored SACRED Scripture - He used Humans as His Scribes… not authors…
 
EndTimes said:
God Authored SACRED Scripture - He used Humans as His Scribes… not authors…
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See the following excerpt from para. 11 of Pope Paul VI’s Dei verbum:
In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, they, as true authors, consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted.
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Huiou_Theou said:
and it’s easy to see why God refused divorce to Adam.
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Adam did not ask for a divorce
Huiou_Theou said:
Cherubim and Seraphim, and we know that those are the horses that move God’s mobile throne.
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They are Angels. Are you confusing Ezekial’s visions?
Huiou_Theou said:
It’s more interesting to me that the woman (before sexual intercourse with Adam) misquotes the law as given to Adam
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We cannot say when procreation first occured
Huiou_Theou said:
For technically, God didn’t forbid Eve from eating the fruit … God forbade Adam from doing it without the woman yet made. (Technical legal point of law.)
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I must strongly disagree here. Scripture forbids them both from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and bad, both humans.
Huiou_Theou said:
Nakedness is a euphamism for perverted behavior. Where do you get the idea that it means crafty or wise? I’ve never seen that before from a reliable source, so I’m curious. It’s my hobby to check the meanings of words. I don’t mean an affront.
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Where and why do you translate the Hebrew word for nakedness as perverted behaviour? Or as a Euphamism?

What is the Hebrew word for naked, how can it be translated, what are its roots
 
Huiou_Theou said:
Where do you get the idea that it means crafty or wise?
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The Hebrew word for nakedness עֶרְוָה 'erwah (also the adjective עָרוֹם 'arom [naked]) and crafty/wise עָרוּם 'arum are both derived from the same triconsonantal root ע־ר־ם (’ - r - m).

A good example of this relationship being deployed for rhetorical purposes can be read in Gen 2:25: Adam and Eve are described as עַרוּמִּים 'arummim (naked) and then in the next verse (3:1), the snake is characterised as עָרוּם 'arum (crafty).
 
Bithynian said:
A good example of this relationship being deployed for rhetorical purposes can be read in Gen 2:25: Adam and Eve are described as עַרוּמִּים 'arummim (naked) and then in the next verse (3:1), the snake is characterised as עָרוּם 'arum (crafty).
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A great example of the Biblical Hebrew author’s use of paronomasia , present throuughout the Old Testament .
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
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EndTimes:
God Authored SACRED Scripture - He used Humans as His Scribes…
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MAGISTERIUM -

SACRED SCRIPTURE

I. CHRIST - THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE

101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: “Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men.”

** Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:

You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.

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Shall there be anything else?
 
Huiou_Theou said:
OK. Please show why you “must” disagree, rather than optionally are just making a decision that you “feel” is right. This is exactly my point, women are so offended by sexist ordering that they often try to re-write scripture in their own image.
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This is not a discussion of sexist ordering. Or sexist anything. Please leave any bias in that direction , at the door.
Please read my original post before we go further.
Huiou_Theou said:
There are two distinct narratives of the creation.
Cite the verse where Eve was created and where it is with regard to Adam’s creation; eg: to show why the “must” have both gotten the law at the same time or in the same way.
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This is also not a discussion of any law either.
Huiou_Theou said:
I look forward to hearing your “must” disagree be supported by anything other than pride. Maybe I’ll learn something today — I’m an INTJ personality, by the way.
😃 pfft.
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I look forward to a discussion based on what is written rather then on personal attacks.

Perhaps you could tone back the personal attack and enter into the spirit if the discussion. We were going well when you brought up the word translated as naked that also, as another pointed out, means crafty and cunning. Which by the way is also related to the crafty cunning serpent idiom.
 
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Huiou_Theou said:
was you, who brought yourself into the conversation; and it is precisely your bossy-ness that I’m singling out.
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There you go, another personal attack , read CAF rules.
Trolls use personal attacks on forum in my experience.
 
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