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MrS
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do you mean created and published by the parish…
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Eilish_Maura
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The priest may have approved this contrary to parish policy - could be the reason why he did not tell the office person in charge of materials area.
It is not the beauty of the materials or televised masses from the Vatican (or the Holy Land) that matter.
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Ceil-1
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Paix,
I’d be willing to bet your parish is lukewarm and stale. We should be promoting everything orthodox Catholic we possibly can. Your
church’s policies speak volumes.
The office people at my parish have the same power trips. I gave them the business one time because they only help you with the food pantry when they are good and ready, and are very stingy about it.
The SVDP guys are the stingiest bunch of people, and we who serve the poor have to beg on our hands and knees, literally, to get them to part with their stash. Even the pastor had to call them on it once. :nope:
It’s a power thing, plain and simple.
I’d be willing to bet your parish is lukewarm and stale. We should be promoting everything orthodox Catholic we possibly can. Your
church’s policies speak volumes.
The office people at my parish have the same power trips. I gave them the business one time because they only help you with the food pantry when they are good and ready, and are very stingy about it.
The SVDP guys are the stingiest bunch of people, and we who serve the poor have to beg on our hands and knees, literally, to get them to part with their stash. Even the pastor had to call them on it once. :nope:
It’s a power thing, plain and simple.
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benedictgal
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However, I detect that you don’t exactly like Adoremus, either.
The fact of the matter is that EWTN is provided an excellent means of evangelization for the Church. The programming EWTN is doctrinally and theologically sound. I, for one, enjoy watching the Papal Masses and the Papal Audiences (when I can).
To merely dismiss someone as being a “marketing troll”, I believe, misses the point. EWTN makes it possible for the Good News of the Gospel to reach homes. The OP attributes her return to the Church to EWTN. I’m sure that the same holds true for many, many people.
Unfortunately, there are those who are so infected with the alleged Spirit of Vatican II that they don’t realize that EWTN is actually embodying what those documents actually said. The fact that this network is faithful to the Magisterium irks many progressives who would rather have free-form liturgies and nebulous doctrine.
There are many in certain circles, for example, who do not like the fact that Joseph Ratzinger was the one who emerged as Pope some three years ago. Only EWTN offered wall-to-wall coverage of the event and has really gone out to present factual information about our Holy Father when the secular media was panning him.
In short, the OP deserves credit for standing up for something she believes in even when it may not be the popular thing in her parish.
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Eilish_Maura
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I know active, vibrant, faith filled, fully in line with all Church teachings parishes that have the exact same policies.
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RosalieM
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If the priest or the Monsignor approve something, it’s approved. They trump the office personnel. This particular priest who approved the poster wasn’t hiding anything. He’s just kind of mystical and probably forgot about it immediately, seeing as he’s got bigger things on his mind.
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benedictgal
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True, but, not at the expense of denigrating someone and referring to the person as a “marketing troll.” Incidentally, if these apologists do speak, they have legitimate credentials. EWTN is not going to have someone with zero to little training and background speak on important issues. Furthermore, might I also remind you that many, many leading prelates and Vatican officials have appeared on EWTN programming, most notably the former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (giving EWTN an exclusive interview), Francis Cardinal Arinze and Christoph Cardinal Shoernborn (sp?). They have also provided really good coverage on the USCCB meetings.
I dare say they are providing an excellent service!
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Eilish_Maura
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OP indicated being an EWTN ‘missionary’ - if this episode is a description of what these ‘missionaries’ do then they are just marketing trolls.
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PaixGioiaAmor
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Oh, I do hope we bet a LOT! Because I win!
We are currently increasing our numbers. We are thinking of adding a mass. Our perpetual adoration chapel draws people from many parishes around. We have a new youth group that is growing; the kids are going on a mission trip to serve the poor on Indian reservations in Montana this summer. We have an adult choir that sings polyphonic music and chant (and yes, some less than favorable “old favorites”, just to give a fully balanced picture) and a great children’s choir with 25 dedicated kids. The parish is FAR from lukewarm or stale.
And I’m sorry that you see it as a powertrip - it’s really not. These are the same policies that assure us that Call to Action literature is not avaliable at the entrances of our church. For some perspective, most organizations have similar policies in their buildings.
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PaixGioiaAmor
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HA, actually I despise Adoramus. Let it be known. I have seen them go their own way on too many things; They are “Call to Action”, only on the other side of the spectrum.However, I detect that you don’t exactly like Adoremus, either.
The fact of the matter is that EWTN is provided an excellent means of evangelization for the Church. The programming EWTN is doctrinally and theologically sound. I, for one, enjoy watching the Papal Masses and the Papal Audiences (when I can).
To merely dismiss someone as being a “marketing troll”, I believe, misses the point. EWTN makes it possible for the Good News of the Gospel to reach homes. The OP attributes her return to the Church to EWTN. I’m sure that the same holds true for many, many people.
Unfortunately, there are those who are so infected with the alleged Spirit of Vatican II that they don’t realize that EWTN is actually embodying what those documents actually said. The fact that this network is faithful to the Magisterium irks many progressives who would rather have free-form liturgies and nebulous doctrine.
There are many in certain circles, for example, who do not like the fact that Joseph Ratzinger was the one who emerged as Pope some three years ago. Only EWTN offered wall-to-wall coverage of the event and has really gone out to present factual information about our Holy Father when the secular media was panning him.
In short, the OP deserves credit for standing up for something she believes in even when it may not be the popular thing in her parish.
And I happen to like our pope; But I digress. As I said, I have no real issue with EWTN. I just don’t happen to think we should be marketing for them.
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RosalieM
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Thanks, Benedictgal! I took no offense at being called a "marketing troll. I’m learning about an attitude that I kind of sensed. At first it saddened me; but I’ll get over it and I’m not going to quit distributing EWTN materials.
Also, Paix…it isn’t “marketing”. EWTN is supported by donations.
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benedictgal
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Adoremus is actually fully in line with the Magisterium. Francis Cardinal Arinze went and personally blessed their offices.
They are certainly a thousand times more in line with the Church than the folks who publish Ministry and Liturgy. I used to be a subscriber. While they did have some interesting things, quite a few of the writers were not in full agreement with the liturgical norms of the Church and really insisted on pushing the envelope. There were also quite a few who weren’t happy with the “changes” and “reforms” that Pope Benedict was bringing.
To lump Adoremus in with CTA shows a poor understanding and a deficient discernment as to what each of these groups really does. CTA is the heretical group. Adoremus and EWTN are the ones who are faithful to Christ and His Church.
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PaixGioiaAmor
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Remember, “Ministry and Liturgy” is not affiliated with the Church so to speak. It is it’s own publication, I believe. So, you are bound to find different viewpoints. I don’t agree with tons of what is in there either.
I take exception that Adoramus is faithful to the Church. I have seen them blatently disregard norms and laws on their “pet issues”. Ex. the view that Eucharistic ministers cannot be used. Like it or not, they can be. Now, argue all day long on whether they are used properly in this country, are overused, or whatever. But don’t spread falsehoods that they are not licit. They consistantly go FARTHER than the Church. Very much the same as I have seen it said that with some groups, “you give them an inch, and they take a mile”.
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MrS
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You sorta prove their point.
They do object, as many do, to laity referring to the job they do, as a “right”, and calling it Eucharistic Minister.
They are Extra-ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. They are NOT.
the key word is extraordinary. Those, like Adoramus, who oppose the over use of these people are quite right.
But then, on a Sunday, we need to get to the restaurant for breakfast before that protestant church gets out
, and get home before kickoff
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THurifer2
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Selected by who? Certainly not yourself since you are in the liturgy business…I am confident that you keep far far away from the selection or rejection of parish infromation rack materials.
A liturgist isn’t any more qualified to take part in such a “ministry” as any other joe.
If the Brochure rack is “controlled” by committee I am sure you woulld have NO problem with EWTN types infiltrating the ranks of committee to allow them.
This is PRECISELY what happened in my parish. The parish council, and nearly every committee is “manned” by us “EWTN” types. This has resulted in shedding ourselves of OCP and added adoramus…a rack full of EWTN and Catholic answers materials.
Along with the progessives leaving so has the empty confessional. Things that hadn’t happened in decades Like adoration, Eucharistic processions and vespers along with long lines at the confession have slowly made a comeback. The altar rail is being considered for Re-installation and the altar girls are down to 2. But the altar server corps is busting at the seams…
Along with this has come a pretty strong anti-abortion movement that involves prayer at clinics and the opening of a local birthright clinic…the fruit seems to be much more plentiful.
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Eilish_Maura
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God save us from this treatment of stereotypes as if they are facts.
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THurifer2
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Are we accusing people of being dishonest?
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