Disinterested, bored, irreverant looking altar servers with punky haircuts

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Where I live, there are two small parishes that share one priest. One of them has the 8 AM Mass, is extremely traditional, and has altar boys that are extrememly well trained, wear the old fashioned black and white outfits (I don’t know the name), and are like choreographed soldiers in assisting the priest.

The 10 o’clock Mass, which I don’t attend anymore, is more loosly run, the alter servers are male or female, adult or child, or parents serving with their youngsters.

The Vigil Mass will have an adult, an altarboy from the 8 AM Mass, or sometimes no altar server. That’s the one I usually attend.

Last night, though, there were a bunch of kids with their parents at the Vigil Mass for their little cub scouts to receive some award. They sat in front of me and were a restless, noisy bunch. One of the older brothers was serving as an altar server. I noticed that he looked extrememly bored, slouching on one foot, not folding his hands, and was sporting a modified mohawk haircut.

When I was attending a Mass at another parish, one of the altar boys kept figgiting with the rope on his robe, or whatever that white garment is called. He must have looked at his watch 10 times during the Mass. It was distracting!

I know it’s a sign of the times, but I’m sick of impertinent, ill mannered kids! Are parishes desperate for altar help? Another thing that detracts from the Mass are old tennis shoes showing under their robe.

Am I turing into a crotchity old lady already? I’m almost 47, maybe I’m just over the hill.
 
In my personal experience, when girls and boys are mixed as altar servers, their tends to be a lot more chatting, whispering, giggling going on than when there’s only one or the other. I have often witnessed them being disruptive and irreverant to the point where I have to conclude they really don’t know why they’re up there.

My church has very well trained altar servers, and at one Mass has a large number (6? 8? it includes a thurafer and all that) all coordinated and reverent like you described. Now I’m not saying every church has to be like that; if the servers aren’t that well trained, I understand, and if they’re fidgeting or something, I try to just ignore them. But when they’re being loud enough (or gesturing so much) that I can’t ignore them, I think something needs to be done.

If you’re old and crotchety, I must be too (and I’m a college-age college-student 😃 ).
 
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WhiteDove:
Am I turing into a crotchity old lady already? I’m almost 47, maybe I’m just over the hill.
To ask that reverance be observed by anyone attending Mass, either lay people, servers, lecturers, or ordained ministers is in no way asking too much and should be EXPECTED by all the faithful, young an old. My 2 cents.
 
When I was altar boy some 55 years ago, it was almost like a contest to see which one of us could look the most pious. If I would’ve looked and acted like some of the boys and girls do now, there would have been heck to pay after Mass. My mom would’ve been all over me. My how things have changed. We do have a brother-sister team at our church, and they really do a good job. I think it reflects on their home life.
 
It’s not your age, WhiteDove! I’m in my mid thirties, and feel the same way. When I was a kid, the altar servers (all boys then) were all attentive, neat and clean (with the exception once in a while of ruffled hair when one had overslept 😉 ). They knew what to do without prompting, moved in silence, and added to the reverence that mass deserves. The kids I see now (for the most part, sadly) can hardly be bothered to show up. When they do, I often see the sneakers showing from beneath the robes, but what’s worse, is when they don’t know what to do and the priest has to stop what he’s doing to instruct them. Also, more than once I’ve seen ushers canvasing people entering the narthex, looking for altar servers. How sad.

But then again, what can you expect from kids whose parents come to mass looking like they stopped by on a whim on their way to a picnic or fishing trip? In my parish, on the 4th of July, all of our ushers were in suits, save one. He was dressed in a very smart golf shirt and bermuda shorts, with sparkling white sneakers. His ensmble was red, white and blue. In spite of being as neat as a pin, he stood out like a sore thumb. On another occaision, my husband heard this usher state, after draining the chalice that was half full (I know, because I received before this guy) that he could easily polish off another, or words to the affect. He also sat in the back pew (viewed from the chapel/cry room through a glass wall) ogleing at a female visitor who was dressed in a nice, though inapproprate for mass, sun dress. He elbowed the other ushers in the ribs, pointed to her, commented, and couldn’t take his eyes off her. Now THIS guy is a REAL distraction during mass. There are times when we really have to sit in the cry room, which puts him in inevitably in our view. I’ve debated about whether to talk to father about him, but am not sure how to approach the situation. So, unfortunately, the issue of appropriate behavior and dress at mass extends past the parishioners and altar servers…😦
 
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WhiteDove:
Where I live, there are two small parishes that share one priest.
And the altar boys are better at one parish than at the other? I think that’s what you’re saying although it wasn’t clear to me. Obviously if it was one parish, or if the two parishes had been combined for a long time, you’d probably see more uniformity, because the priest would train them all identically (assuming that the priest does the training, of course).

For what it’s worth, the servers in our parish are almost “overtrained”, soldierly to the point of distraction for someone like me who was a server many years ago in a place far, far away. Our old priest packed in as many servers as he could find, from First Communion age on up. I’m sure we did our share of fidgeting and wore sneakers with no apparent problem - Father was glad to have us all up there, even though out of 10 or more servers, only 2 really had a useful function.
 
We are very fortunate at our chapel to have Seminarians do the altar serving for us. Since the chapel is at a college, we have mostly a younger group of parishoners that love to be at mass. They have no pressure from parents or whatever to be there, so everyone is usually respectfully dressed for mass.

As far as the RUDE ushers, I am very disheartened to hear this. It is an honor to serve the church as an usher. SInce this behavior is so blantantly horrendous, what I would do is drop an anonumous letter to the Prist in the collection. If this did not help anything, then you HAVE to talk to your priest. This is distracting and also models poor behavior to others (especially since he sits in front of the children!). Pray for this person and for your church.
 
I am the head Altar Server at my church, before I came in and started “whipping things into shape” things were much as those who posted above have stated.

I was 17 at the time when we started doing server training (we being myself and two college students who were the “good servers” with me) We decided that we were sick and tired of the horrible way in which the servers were conducting themselves.

So, we took action. We contacted our priest and asked if we could do a server training. He was more than happy to give us permission. He gave us a few guidelines that he wanted followed and let us do the rest.

We decided to be very proactive, and used CCD classes to find new servers, after we had their names and phone numbers we called them and asked them to come to our server training. Anyone who missed the training was not allowed to serve until they had made a training.

we started the training with taking out the items servers use (Candles, Sacramentary, Eucharistic vessels, Thurifer, etc.) and also showed them were to find these objects. We then told them the names of the fixtures in the church that they might come in contact with, such as the Altar, Ambo, Presider’s Chair, Credence Table, etc.

The whole time we asked them alot of questions about it, in order to make sure that they were getting a grasp of it.

We then went through a mock mass, with myself and the other two “head servers” doing a walkthrough. We then took the kids in groups and had them take on the rolls, while we went through another mock mass.

We told them that a server was visible to everyone in the church, and as such they set an example for the people. As such they had to behave. We instructed them that if they were sitting, they sat with their hands flat on their laps, if they were standing or kneeling, they folded their hands. If their was singing, you sang, etc.

We have achieved great results with this method, but it still leaves something to be desired.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how we could improve our method?

P.S. The black and white things are called “Cassocks and Surpluses” The black being a cassock, the white being a surplus.

In Him, through her,
PioMagnus
 
Does anyone have any suggestions on how we could improve our method?
The big problem I see in our parish (where the servers are well trained, if not over-trained), is that we have several older servers - your age or older, one is even married. When they serve, they get to “do everything” (bring things to and from the altar, etc.), and that leaves the younger ones (and by “younger” I mean some as old as Jr. High age) with nothing to do. As a result, I sense that we have very few younger servers, and that’s a shame. So the suggestion I have, is that make sure everyone gets to have a useful role on a rotating basis.
 
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Iohannes:
You’re making me crazy here!!!

If the altar servers aren’t serving with reverence, they shouldn’t be serving. Period. Mohawk haircuts? Let’s not start with that. What parent in their right mind would let their kids get a Mohawk? And then foist it on the rest of us during Mass. Ditto face piercing. And blue hair, dog collars, and the like. Sneakers on the altar? Give me a break. Brown or black shoes. No exceptions. Girls: put on a dress. No shorts for anyone, and that includes the priest. (I’ve seen it, believe it or not.)
 
Thank you for the suggestion, I will implement it next server training, any other suggestions?

In Him, through her,
Pio Magnus
 
Simple ban altar girls and take the seats off the altar. Makes the boys kneel during all of Mass. Looks reverent too. The altar boys should be kneeling toward the altar during the whole Mass.
 
Catholic Eagle:
Makes the boys kneel during all of Mass. Looks reverent too. The altar boys should be kneeling toward the altar during the whole Mass.
On which planet?
 
We know you enjoy the TLM. But it doesn’t help to interrupt this thread, which is clearly a discussion of servers at N.O. masses, with comments about the TLM and pictures of unidentified events.
 
Melman:
We know you enjoy the TLM. But it doesn’t help to interrupt this thread, which is clearly a discussion of servers at N.O. masses, with comments about the TLM and pictures of unidentified events.
These altar boys serve the N.O Mass, and they know how to be reverent, learn from them:

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