Disney TV Show Good Luck Charlie features homosexual relationship

[Havard]

I have not stated otherwise only the fact that a homosexual couple being promoted on tv is as diabolic as pornography.

I’m not trying to speak for you, but I think your original point was echoing Matthew 9:41.

“And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”

 

[Catolico65]

I’m not trying to speak for you, but I think your original point was echoing Matthew 9:41.

“And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”

 

[Prodigal_Son]

There is very actually little difference between pornography and a same sex couple in that they are both depraved, self seeking and without any sort of redeeming quality.

The above sentence is very loosely stated. I don’t think this is what you meant, but it could be read as saying that the individuals composing the same-sex couple have no redeeming qualities. I’m hoping you didn’t mean that.

 

[Catolico65]

The above sentence is very loosely stated. I don’t think this is what you meant, but it could be read as saying that the individuals composing the same-sex couple have no redeeming qualities. I’m hoping you didn’t mean that.

There is no redeeming quality in a same sex relationship, it is a fraud and unlike good personal relationships creates spiritual desolation instead of fulfillment.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

There is no redeeming quality in a same sex relationship, it is a fraud and unlike good personal relationships creates spiritual desolation instead of fulfillment.

Yes, but surely there may be redeeming qualities in the individuals, no? Can’t a person in such a relationship be generous, or compassionate, or trustworthy, or the like?

 

[Catolico65]

Yes, but surely there may be redeeming qualities in the individuals, no? Can’t a person in such a relationship be generous, or compassionate, or trustworthy, or the like?

Certainly, but staying in a relationship will erode these qualities.

The exception are young adults in these relationships who where led into them because they were confused by being sexually abused or the subject of homosexual indoctrination as they are still somewhat naive. Nonetheless, these young adults will suffer a great deal and worst may embrace this sin. We should take Jesus words seriously and do our best to prevent this.

 

[VanSensei]

Certainly, but staying in a relationship will erode these qualities.

So what do you think of old homosexual couples? Those who’ve been together 30+ years? Do they have no redeeming qualities because of their relationship?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Catolico65, do you believe that human nature remains untainted by Original Sin?

 

[Catolico65]

So what do you think of old homosexual couples? Those who’ve been together 30+ years? Do they have no redeeming qualities because of their relationship?

Statistically they aren’t worth mentioning.

As far as people having redeeming qualities, we all do. However, committing mortal sins repeatedly and WORSE promoting others to do the same, especially children, can degrade any qualities we were given by God.

 

[Catolico65]

Catolico65, do you believe that human nature remains untainted by Original Sin?

Everything you want to know about my beliefs can be found in the Catechism and the Bible. Get at it my friend. Paz.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Everything you want to know about my beliefs can be found in the Catechism and the Bible. Get at it my friend. Paz.

Your posts appear as though you do not believe that original sin tainted human nature; is it a correct statement to say that you believe man’s nature remains untainted by original sin? I am asking for a simple yes or no on whether I am interpreting you correctly.

 

[Catolico65]

Your posts appear as though you do not believe that original sin tainted human nature; is it a correct statement to say that you believe man’s nature remains untainted by original sin? I am asking for a simple yes or no on whether I am interpreting you correctly.

Please do not make statements on my behalf. What I believe is clearly written in the Catechism.

Furthermore, if someone can point out where MY understanding is DIFFERENT than that of the Catechism I will change MY position. I am NOT interested in personal opinions regarding well established dogma, period.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Please do not make statements on my behalf. What I believe is clearly written in the Catechism.

Furthermore, if someone can point out where MY understanding is DIFFERENT than that of the Catechism I will change MY position. I am NOT interested in personal opinions regarding well established dogma, period.

All I’ve been trying to do is find out what you believe and how you understand things. I know some people have difficulty expressing them through the written word, indeed I struggle with this myself, this is why I am asking you simple questions that only require a yes or a no question.

 

[Catolico65]

All I’ve been trying to do is find out what you believe and how you understand things. I know some people have difficulty expressing them through the written word, indeed I struggle with this myself, this is why I am asking you simple questions that only require a yes or a no question.

You are clearly confused not only about my beliefs but the CC’s and for that reason I think it is best you read the catechism so there can be no more misunderstandings. Paz.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

You are clearly confused not only about my beliefs but the CC’s and for that reason I think it is best you read the catechism so there can be no more misunderstandings. Paz.

Please explain how I am confused about the beliefs of the Catholic Church.

 

[Catolico65]

Please explain how I am confused about the beliefs of the Catholic Church.

Your statement regarding original sin for one.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Your statement regarding original sin for one.

I was asking you if that was what you believed because from your posts that really seems to be what you believe.

 

[Catolico65]

I was asking you if that was what you believed because from your posts that really seems to be what you believe.

That is called projecting my friend.

Everything you want to know about my beliefs is in the Catechism and Bible. Paz.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

That is called projecting my friend.

Everything you want to know about my beliefs is in the Catechism and Bible. Paz.

When did asking sincere questions to ensure that there is not miscommunication become projecting?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Good Luck Charlie, Susan and Cheryl,
…and Sarah and Lindsey

Last Sunday night, the Disney Channel made news by including a same-sex couple in an episode of Good Luck Charlie. By Wednesday morning, various organizations such as One Million Moms had succeeded in broadcasting this 1-minute clip across diverse news outlets. More pointedly, by Wednesday morning, the news had hit our Facebook feeds where knee-jerk reactions and commentary reigned supreme. Some of our LGBT friends were celebrating Disney’s inclusiveness, and a good many more of our conservative Christian friends expressed outrage over Disney’s broadcasting “the homosexual lifestyle” into their living rooms.

Because we both value intellectual integrity, our first course of action was to see what Disney actually broadcasted. The 58-second clip shows a dialogue in which Taylor comes over to Charlie’s house for a play date. Our conservative Christian friends were particularly aghast because Taylor has two moms. If, on the off chance you haven’t already seen the clip, we’d encourage you to watch it for yourself:

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KoEBdCsrOVs

After watching the clip, Lindsey was especially bemused that conservative Christians were more concerned about the morality of Taylor having two mommies than about the way Amy (Charlie’s mom) seems to belittle and dismiss Bob (Charlie’s dad) at every opportunity. Somehow, it’s perfectly acceptable to Christians that Disney places a laugh reel right after Amy goes after Bob by saying, “Are you sure that I’m right and you’re wrong? Always.” Sarah noted that this clip is nothing more than two parents bringing their child to a play date. The show does not use the words gay, lesbian, or sex. Bob resolves his confusion over Taylor’s mom’s name by simply remarking, “Oh! Taylor has two moms.” There are no public displays of affection of any kind, between any characters in the clip.

But, there’s a world of difference between what actually aired on Disney and how conservative Christians have reacted to the event. Yesterday, Sarah’s friends took to filling Sarah’s Facebook inbox with messages after Sarah commented about the event. Sarah received messages like the following: (1) “I love you, but I don’t agree with your lifestyle choice. I just don’t want my daughter exposed to that lifestyle.”; (2) “I have no problem with you gay people, but you shouldn’t get to take over everything even television. It’s not fair to innocent children.”; (3) “I’ve always liked and respected you, Sarah, but putting a gay couple on children’s television is just a ploy to indoctrinate them with liberalism and gay marriage.”; (4) “I don’t agree with homosexuality, period. The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it. Live your life the way you choose, but don’t put it on my kid’s TV show.”; and (5) “Please don’t take this personally. It’s not about about you. I just want my kids to grow up normal, you know? You and Lindsey are celibate. Why should this bother you?”

Why did we take the time to type out some of these messages? We’re not interested in ratting out Sarah’s friends or gaining sympathy for ourselves. We started this blog with the intention of sharing our story, and the things we post here are things that have actually happened. Sure, yesterday’s comments were fueled by reactions to a lesbian couple on a children’s television show. But, comments in the past (and if trends hold, comments in the future) can be triggered by something as simple as walking through a doorway together into a person’s church, family reunion, or living room.

We have an odd sort of situation. If people just meet Sarah, it is very rare that their gaydars ping. The second people see the two of us together, unfortunately it’s all too clear that we are members of the LGBT community. Lindsey has never had an especially strong gender-conforming appearance and, as such, negotiates a good deal of behind-the-back gossip. When we walk into our home parish together and stand together in the front row, we know other parishioners are aware that an LGBT couple stands in their midst.

There’s another odd dynamic at play. To use a Bostonian saying, we’re both wicked smaht. Sarah regularly gets asked to help our friends’ kids and teenagers conjugate Latin verbs, finalize essays, and solve assorted math problems. Lindsey is frequently pinged if a kid ever needs help with math or science homework. And there’s the occasional situation in which Sarah pings Lindsey because Sarah has been assisting with a math homework set that has turned to physics. In these situations, to use an expression of ours, no one gives two figs about our sexual orientations, our gender identities, our relationship status, or our tendency to tag-team when helping kids with diverse problems. To the parents and their children, we become an available combined brain that’s more reliable than Wikipedia and more conversant than Google…. at least when it comes to high schoolers and their homework.

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