Disobeying parents mortal sin?

[Neithan]

I didn’t say that. Please address the hypo.

God doesn’t know what someone will do, as He isn’t bound by time, He simply knows what we do. If a boy dies at 7 years of age, God cannot know what he actually would have done with his life as there wasn’t any more life there, and he wasn’t around to do it. This is one of those ‘can God make a rock that’s not really a rock’ kind of illogical questions.

 

[gardenswithkids]

… However, it is grave merely because it breaks the one of the Ten Commandments, and therefore potentially a mortal sin, not the other way around. It’s an important distinction.

**I do understand that the fact that a child sneaking a snack when his parents tell him not to is considered a small violation, truly. I don’t want to seem like i’m ignoring that fact. **

…CCC 1858 teaches that The Church’s definition of “grave matter” comes from violation of the ten commandments. Sins of this nature can be more or less grave, but all still fall under the cattegory of “grave”. This is Church teaching. It should be noted that a grave matter is not automatically a mortal sin.

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   *]CCC 2217, which specifically the 4th commandment teaches that lack of obedience of a child toward their parent constitutes breaking one of the commandments. This is also Church teaching…

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   While CCC teaches the grave matter comes from violation of the ten commandments, but it does not state that every violation is grave. Numerous Catholic “examination of conscience” guides for confession go through the Ten Commandments and examine ways in which humans can break the them. Here’s one such examiniation of conscience: scborromeo.org/confess.htm
   
   Many sins listed on that link are mortal sins (if done with full knowlege and consent) but that guide asks under the first command, “Did I love God with my whole heart?” and under the seventh and tenth commands, “Did I waste time at work, school or at home?” Since we have been talking about the fourth commandment, this examination of conscience lists asks under the fourth commandment *Did I neglect to give good religious example to my family? **Did I cause tension and fights in my family? **Did I give a full day’s work for a full day’s pay? *
   
   When we look at Catholic examinations of consciences that classified based on the Ten Commandments we see that basically, just about every sin can fall under the Ten Commandments. Yet the Church does not call every sin a mortal sin, and the Church teaches that not every sin involves grave matter. CCC 1854 “Sins are rightly evalutated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture, became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience*.”
   
   *The footnotes in the Catechism site 1 John 5: 16-17 which says, “If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.”
   
   Catechism 1854 tells us that experience bears out that some sins are mortal and some sins are venial. By your interpretation of CCC 1858 most every sin potentially can fall into the mortal category because by other Catholic sources the Ten Commandments encompass most every sin. You and I agree that a child sneaking a snack is a minor violation. All wrongdoing is a sin, but experience bears out that the sin we are discussing is* not* a mortal sin.

 

[Peter_Dawson]

Oh, but you did! You said that they would have committed exactly the same sins! This is why “Thaught expiriments” are pointless. The designer always puts some cind of assumption in that is absolutely inane. By saying they would have had exactly the same life is to say that people are destined to behave at by the dictates of their genetic makeup. This supposition makes free will a lie. Therefore adressing this hypotheical situation is worth no one’s time because it built upon a false premise. For hypotheticals to be of any use, the underlying premise must have value. Furthermore, any hypothetical that puts you in the place of God plays into man’s natural inclination to arrogance.

Good friend, in effect that is your answer to the hypothetical. I, personally, don’t believe that the free will is bound by wiring. So I personally think that you are wrong.

But that is your answer.

 

[Peter_Dawson]

God doesn’t know what someone will do, as He isn’t bound by time, He simply knows what we do. If a boy dies at 7 years of age, God cannot know what he actually would have done with his life as there wasn’t any more life there, and he wasn’t around to do it. This is one of those ‘can God make a rock that’s not really a rock’ kind of illogical questions.

I guess that that is part of my problem. God clearly knows the future. But does God know what would have been the future if the kid had not died?

 

[CWBetts]

Good friend, in effect that is your answer to the hypothetical. I, personally, don’t believe that the free will is bound by wiring. So I personally think that you are wrong.

But that is your answer.

You yourself inferred that free will is bound by wiring. That is why your hypothetical has no value whatsoever.