Dispensations: Where You Live, or Where You Are?

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Our bishop has granted a dispensation from abstinence for St. Patrick’s Day. However, we will be out of state, and thus in another diocese, on that day. Does the dispensation “follow us,” or are we bound by the rules of the diocese we’re in that day?
 
From the canon law on dispensations:
Canon 91 In respect of their subjects, even if these are outside the territory, those who have the power of dispensing can exercise it even if they themselves are outside their territory; unless the contrary is expressly provided, they can exercise it also in respect of peregrini actually present in the territory; they can exercise it too in respect of themselves.
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Thus, your bishop has the power to dispense his subjects even while they are travelling outside his diocese, as well as the power to dispense other bishops’ subjects while they are travelling within his diocese. I guess you would have to look at the actual wording of the dispensation to see if your bishop included either or both of those groups in this particular dispensation.
 
There is a dispensation here in the Archdiocese of Detroit. Will I take advantage of it? I have not decided yet.

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Our parish received a dispensation for St. Patricks Day (from our priest). Non- parishoners were told to follow what their own parishes were doing. We have no bishop.
 
As St Patrick’s Day is my birthday, the prior of the house has dispensed us and is having the chief cook a meal for my birthday. Instead of the standard St Patrick’s Day fare he has requested that she cook something Eastern European in honor of my ancestry.
 
Why is St. Patrick’s day during lent? We know that St. Patrick, an Irish man, looking down from heaven, would want us to drink some green beer to celibrate his day. Could’nt we have celibrated an Italian, German or English saint’s day during lent and celibrated St. Patricks day in a part of the year when we were not fasting.

Are there any dioseas closer to Seattle than Detroit who have dispensations for St. Patricks day?

My priest Fr. Fox is Irish. Maybe I will give him a call.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
 
When I was in RCIA I was told that Sundays were always a"day off" and also St. Patrick’s Day. I thought it was a given? Do you suppose that’s because I live in Chicago which has a large Irish population & St. Patrick’s Day is SUCH a big deal??? Because it sounds like it’s not a “day off” everywhere?
 
carol marie:
When I was in RCIA I was told that Sundays were always a"day off" and also St. Patrick’s Day. I thought it was a given? Do you suppose that’s because I live in Chicago which has a large Irish population & St. Patrick’s Day is SUCH a big deal??? Because it sounds like it’s not a “day off” everywhere?
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Hello Carol Marie,

I think your RCIA instructor was Irish.
 
Steven Merten:
Why is St. Patrick’s day during lent? We know that St. Patrick, an Irish man, looking down from heaven, would want us to drink some green beer to celibrate his day. Could’nt we have celibrated an Italian, German or English saint’s day during lent and celibrated St. Patricks day in a part of the year when we were not fasting.
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Perhaps it is for the better, since St. Patrick is known for a rigorous life. In fact, I recently encountered some things pertaining to “St. Patrick’s Purgatory”.

St. Patrick’s Purgatory
newadvent.org/cathen/12580a.htm

Lough Derg
loughderg.org/
and
clogherdiocese.ie/loughderg/
In former times the emphasis was more on the physical penance and hardship of the pilgrimage exercises. Nowadays those who make the pilgrimage see it as a grace-filled opportunity to get away from the stress of modern-day living. They talk about the cleansing value of fasting and see the intensive and concentrated nature of the routine as giving opportunities for prioritising values and being physically and spiritually renewed.

For an interesting read, check out this link:

The Project Gutenberg EBook of The Purgatory of St. Patrick
gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/prgsp10.txt

In any case, after reading these things, I think it is most appropriate for St. Patrick’s day to be during Lent. And I think the best thing we could do in his honor is to observe Lent even more strictly on that day.

hurst
 
Our Church is a Saint Patricks Church so the bishop gave us a dispensation but of course we have to pick another day to abstain.
 
Only when a solemn Holy Day falls on Friday during Great Lent to we get that “day off”. Also, I do not believe that the “day off” goes for any additional abstinences we place upon our selves, like giving up sweets.

St Patick’s Day is not a solemn Holy Day in the USA but in Ireland it is.
 
Steven Merten:
Why is St. Patrick’s day during lent? We know that St. Patrick, an Irish man, looking down from heaven, would want us to drink some green beer to celibrate his day.
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The Feast of a Saint usually falls on the day of their death. In the case of St. Patrick that would be either March 8th or the 9th, depending on how it is marked.

God decided to bring St. Patrick home during at time that would always fall during Lent, so who is the Church to argue with that? 😉

The Bishops of some diocese, such as Detroit, are offering a dispensation, usually under the qualification that one will commit to abstaining on another day (my wife and I will abstain next Wed)

Other diocese, particularly those that have St. Patrick as their diocese Patron raise the Feast to be a Solemnity. In that case, the Feast is raised to being a Solemnity, which is outside of Lent. No commitment to abstain on another day is required.

The Feast of St. Patrick is a Solemnity in Ireland and a Holy Day of Obligation.
Could’nt we have celibrated an Italian, German or English saint’s day during lent and celibrated St. Patricks day in a part of the year when we were not fasting
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There are certainly other Saints that we celebrate on. The Feast of St. Joseph, for example is ALWAYS a Solemnity. If the feast of St. Joseph falls on a Friday, there is no obligation to abstain.

If the Feast of the Annunciation falls on a Lenten Friday, again their is no obligation to fast.

Last year was particularly interesting, as the Annunciation fell on Good Friday. In that case, Good Friday, as part of the Triduum, takes precidence, and celebration of the Annunciation was moved to the Monday following the Second Sunday of Easter.
Are there any dioseas closer to Seattle than Detroit who have dispensations for St. Patricks day?
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Chicago for one.
 
In my diocese, we have a dispensation, providing that eating meat is in honor of Saint Patrick, and “traditional Irish fare” (so no cheeseburger for lunch). We also have to say a decade of the rosary for vocations to the diocesan priesthood in order to eat meat in celebration of Saint Patrick.
 
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geojack:
We have no bishop.
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How can you not have a Bishop? I’m curious.
 
Pius X:
In my diocese, we have a dispensation, providing that eating meat is in honor of Saint Patrick, and “traditional Irish fare” (so no cheeseburger for lunch). We also have to say a decade of the rosary for vocations to the diocesan priesthood in order to eat meat in celebration of Saint Patrick./QUOTE]

I love that idea!
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