Disrespect during mass

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Wow. The priest was giving a homily today about having the courage to oppose the death penalty and an older man stood up and yelled, “I have the courage to stand up and say that some people deserve to die!!!”. I thought he was going to pull out a gun and shoot the place up. One person actually clapped. Then the priest just kept going. I have never seen anything like this in my life. A woman who goes to the same church said that a couple of weeks ago, an older man came up during the homily and left something on the altar area, and that the priest picked it up and kept talking. I wonder if it was the same man? Scary.
 
Maybe some mental issue that the priest is aware of…or he’s really good at dealing with random-acts-of-congregations.
 
I believe such outbursts are generally uncommon but not unheard of, while the majority come from non-Catholics who show up with chips on their shoulders rather than from actual members who suffer from prideful opinions.
 
Wow. The priest was giving a homily today about having the courage to oppose the death penalty and an older man stood up and yelled, “I have the courage to stand up and say that some people deserve to die!!!”. I thought he was going to pull out a gun and shoot the place up. One person actually clapped. Then the priest just kept going. I have never seen anything like this in my life. A woman who goes to the same church said that a couple of weeks ago, an older man came up during the homily and left something on the altar area, and that the priest picked it up and kept talking. I wonder if it was the same man? Scary.
I wouldn’t say scary. I would say it’s the traditional American Way–speaking up for what you believe. Many Americans are tired of being ignored, and movements like Tea Party have given them a little more gumption to stand up and speak out.

Obviously it was inappropriate and disrespectful for this man to disrupt a Mass. But perhaps somone he loved was hurt or even killed by a criminal, and he is reacting to the priest out of emotion.

I’ve seen people stand up and walk out of the Mass when our priest denounced abortion and artifical birth control. Also, in our city, our parish fired a gay music minister (openly gay and adopting a child, but he didn’t tell the diocese this when he applied for the job), and for weeks after the firing, there were various protests in the congregation, and some of them were quite visible. All were ignore by the parish and the diocese.

Quite a few people in our parish, mainly the good musicians, left the parish and left the Catholic Church after the firing, and our church is currently blacklisted by the AGO. I recently found out that even though it’s been seven years since this happened, the AGO continues the boycott at the explicit direction of the gay music minister. He’s holding the AGO captive so that he can continue to practice sin. Makes me so mad.
 
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That’s so rude! I know the Church allows for both support and opposition of the death penalty according to personal conscience but that’s just such an inappropriate way to express your opinion! And I’m pretty sure the Church teaching is that the death penalty is a last recourse when it is the only way to protect society, not that anyone ‘deserves to die’.
 
The priest should have just let that subject go, if the Church allows for one to decided wether or not to suport a particular cuase then there is no real need to bring it into the homily. Instead the priest should focus on the readings, on working on their own salvation, or other causes that the Church denounces or fully suports. I do disagree with what the person did in yelling out, the mass is no time to protest or share their own political ideology, it’s not a town hall meeting.
 
Politics and religion just do not mix well at all especially at Mass.

I simply don’t discuss politics unless I am with a group of people I know well. Same applies for religion. I don’t force my beliefs to others, and if I disagree, either I am polite about it or stay silent.
 
Politics and religion just do not mix well at all especially at Mass.

I simply don’t discuss politics unless I am with a group of people I know well. Same applies for religion. I don’t force my beliefs to others, and if I disagree, either I am polite about it or stay silent.
However, the Church has made statements about the death penalty so it isn’t just politics. The priest can certainly speak about the church’s documents. It is best to do this when it has some relation to the readings, but we don’t know everything that this priest said or intended to say in his homily.

All that aside, it isn’t a Catholic practice for the laity to stand up and argue with the priest during the homily. That’s why we invite Father over to dinner. 😉
 
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That’s so rude! I know the Church allows for both support and opposition of the death penalty according to personal conscience but that’s just such an inappropriate way to express your opinion! And I’m pretty sure the Church teaching is that the death penalty is a last recourse when it is the only way to protect society, not that anyone ‘deserves to die’.
I agree with you that this was a completely inappropriate way for this man to voice his opinion. However, it also sounds like the priest was using the pulpit to forward his own politcal personal opinion. The Church does not oppose the death penalty, and therefore, the only ones who need to buck up and ‘have the courage’ to oppose the death penalty are those who are opposed to it. I would be concerned that those parishioners who heard the homily would think that because of the priest’s homily that they are expected to be against the death penalty, which is not true. But again, people are responsible for knowing what their Church teaches. And of course, I wasn’t there, so I don’t know how much fact vs. opinion was conveyed from the pulpit to the congregation. Hopefully those disturbed by the homily (no matter which side of the fence they are on) did their homework afterwards…

But that gentleman needs to learn how to channel his opposition in a more productive and civil manner, that’s for sure. Who knows what was going on in his mind when he heard the homily.
 
Wow. The priest was giving a homily today about having the courage to oppose the death penalty and an older man stood up and yelled, “I have the courage to stand up and say that some people deserve to die!!!”. I thought he was going to pull out a gun and shoot the place up. One person actually clapped. Then the priest just kept going. I have never seen anything like this in my life. A woman who goes to the same church said that a couple of weeks ago, an older man came up during the homily and left something on the altar area, and that the priest picked it up and kept talking. I wonder if it was the same man? Scary.
Oh my gosh.
When I was a practicing evangelical, I went to church in the inner-city part of town. I got used to stuff like this. SOmeone who isn’t able to recognize social rules for a situation probably is mentally unstable. Our ushers would usher the person out of the church and the service would go on.
 
Politics and religion just do not mix well at all especially at Mass.

I simply don’t discuss politics unless I am with a group of people I know well. Same applies for religion. I don’t force my beliefs to others, and if I disagree, either I am polite about it or stay silent.
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Are you kidding me???
The priest is supposed to force the Church’s beliefs on us!
If we disagree, it is probably best and most honest, to find another place of worship.
 
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Are you kidding me???
The priest is supposed to force the Church’s beliefs on us!
If we disagree, it is probably best and most honest, to find another place of worship.
Yeah, but the problem is, the Church doesn’t teach that we need to buck up and ‘have the courage’ to oppose the death penalty. Again, we don’t know exactly what the priest was saying because we weren’t there. But the simple fact is, that’s not a Church teaching.
 
I wish priests would talk more about these issues in the homily or in bulletins or somewhere! Most people who call themselves Catholic think it is ok to support the death penalty or birth control or euthanasia b/c they don’t know any better.

If you have a problem with the Church’s teachings then don’t call yourself Catholic. Our priest today had an AWESOME homily on the dangers of relativism. We are given the Truth, the ONE TRUTH in the Holy Spirit. However everyone is so concerned with being PC and backing down when they are confronted with other people differing from their views. Don’t be silent! Speak up for the Church. We are attacked all the time with lies and people who are ignorant of what we believe and no one stands up to them.
 
Unfortunately people in both side believe and act as if the Church would be democracy, with equal word for everyone. They are wrong.
 
Wow. The priest was giving a homily today about having the courage to oppose the death penalty and an older man stood up and yelled, “I have the courage to stand up and say that some people deserve to die!!!”. I thought he was going to pull out a gun and shoot the place up. One person actually clapped. Then the priest just kept going. I have never seen anything like this in my life. A woman who goes to the same church said that a couple of weeks ago, an older man came up during the homily and left something on the altar area, and that the priest picked it up and kept talking. I wonder if it was the same man? Scary.
This is one reason why politics should be kept out of Church. I’ve said this many times that the Church should not be meddling in politics :mad:

And I support the death penalty. I live in an area that because of the lenient laws, crime is on the increase. This city is becoming a joke, and a significant number of people no longer have any respect for the law. Only those who deal with crime on a day-to-day basis understand that the death penalty is the only solution. I would have applauded that man myself, although advised him to display his dissent after Mass was finished.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
I wish priests would talk more about these issues in the homily or in bulletins or somewhere! Most people who call themselves Catholic think it is ok to support the death penalty or birth control or euthanasia b/c they don’t know any better.

If you have a problem with the Church’s teachings then don’t call yourself Catholic. Our priest today had an AWESOME homily on the dangers of relativism. We are given the Truth, the ONE TRUTH in the Holy Spirit. However everyone is so concerned with being PC and backing down when they are confronted with other people differing from their views. Don’t be silent! Speak up for the Church. We are attacked all the time with lies and people who are ignorant of what we believe and no one stands up to them.
It is ok to support the death penalty as a last resort. Many do. Birth control and euthanasia on the other hand are two separate issues, both of which can NEVER be supported.
 
I wish priests would talk more about these issues in the homily or in bulletins or somewhere! Most people who call themselves Catholic think it is ok to **support the death penalty **or birth control or euthanasia b/c they don’t know any better.

If you have a problem with the Church’s teachings then don’t call yourself Catholic. Our priest today had an AWESOME homily on the dangers of relativism. We are given the Truth, the ONE TRUTH in the Holy Spirit. However everyone is so concerned with being PC and backing down when they are confronted with other people differing from their views. Don’t be silent! Speak up for the Church. We are attacked all the time with lies and people who are ignorant of what we believe and no one stands up to them.
The Church CCC
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.66
2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

2267 **Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. **
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."68

Now many will say we have great jail systems. Those that do, have no idea about America’s prison system let alone 3rd world prisons. We forget that correctional officers, prison personel, and other inmates are humans as well, and worth defending from aggressors who still continue to inflict bodily harm in prisons. Many inmates on life live with the mentality of no longer caring of others since they have to spend the rest of their lives in prison. Most people don’t support the death penalty as the only option or only way to deal with crime, thus this would be sin, but most do support it as having it as an option prefferebly as last resort. Catholics who feel this way are not in irregular standing with the Church or in sin, so for you to call people who have this mentality non-Catholics pretty harsh, and I would suggest reading more about the Catholic faith before trying to speak out like that.
 
It does say though that cases where the death penalty is legitimate are very rare, if not practically non-existent. I certainly take this to mean that in modern America, the Church is opposed to the use of the death penalty, yes?

Either way, the outburst was bizarre to say the least, and for a second, I thought this guy could start shooting people or something. I mean, you don’t just stand up in a Catholic church and yell that some people deserve to die.

I agree with the poster who said that maybe he has had some kind of trauma that makes him feel so strongly about this, so I did say a small prayer for him.
 
Wow. The priest was giving a homily today about having the courage to oppose the death penalty and an older man stood up and yelled, “I have the courage to stand up and say that some people deserve to die!!!”. I thought he was going to pull out a gun and shoot the place up. One person actually clapped. Then the priest just kept going. I have never seen anything like this in my life. A woman who goes to the same church said that a couple of weeks ago, an older man came up during the homily and left something on the altar area, and that the priest picked it up and kept talking. I wonder if it was the same man? Scary.
Ouch! Is it just me that sees this as a potentially scary situation, especially if it the same fellow that approached the altar a few weeks earlier? I guess having been in health care for years and seeing an occasional person come thundering in through the doors of the ER that had to be restrained, my inner alarm went off. Not that there is much that can be done; I will say an extra prayer or two, for the safety of your priest and parish. :gopray2:
 
I do see a potential scary situation. On a day that i witnessed some really bad behaviour at high mass that it actually ruined my mass and i felt no near worthy to recieve communion and did not.

But this is really bad and something should be done. Death penalty is not ok. It is as bad as being catholic and vote for abortion or fighting for it. Such as disconnect. And such disrespect.
 
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