I haven’t been able to speak to him yet. I’m not leaving the church, but I am curious about the differences in sacred tradition between the two. God Bless.
Well the very fact that these cases exist is more reason why I dont belive in the fullness of Christ or the church to be honest with you. I really dont’ like God that much, and these instances just compound it. I can’t take a church seriously who sells liquor at family gatherings or has billbored style advertisement in some parking spaces for local resturants and buisness like its some kind of ball park.
Did this only happen after vatican II coucil? or was the corruption always there in cheap advertisement? and money gathering?
Ok first to both of you, you are acting out of a very limited experience of your own parishes or at best, the parishes in this part of the world. As someone who has lived in about three countries, multiple parishes in each now, I can tell you that this is not the same everywhere.
Our part of the world is in a bit of a turmoil. Priests know morality but they don’t know prudence. They know what they must not do but don’t know how to live a life that helps them do that. Same has extended to the faithful. In such a scenario, you are bound to see these abuses.
For many with normal sensibilities, both the OP’s complain and Jessup’s regarding Liquor selling can be seen as obviously imprudent acts. The bad thing here is that most, especially well intentioned Catholics who are doing their best to follow the Lord, will not see that. They will get in to arguments with you and put you down as trying to enforce your opinion and that the Church never states it immoral. The issue of course is that we both know it is immoral on the grounds of prudence. Prudence comes with our sensibilities. In a culture where sensibilities are often distorted, it is no surprise to meet such a reaction.
So both of you need to understand this. Be patient with others and try to slowly show them the way. Discuss the matters. The part of the world we live in is almost like an early Christian community. People are still groggy and trying to grasp around and find their way. They know what is right and wrong from the church but they do not know how to live their lives to best accomplish/reflect what they know. They come from a culture that has abandoned its Christian tradition and way of living for more than a century. So you must be patient. Correct them with brotherly/sisterly love. If they do not accept, be patient. We know they disrespect Christ unknowingly. We know they act imprudently with the liquor issue. But our duty then is to stick around and keep showing them the way. Raise our point in the best way possible and explain it to them. If they don’t listen, make it clear that you still disagree and pray for them. Leaving the Church is a selfish move and honestly, unwise because as St. Peter said “Lord, to whom else do we go?”
Also if you leave, you would have abandoned your duty to stay and help your brothers and sisters.
We will also do well to keep in mind that the Orthodox are lacking communion with the Successor of Peter. Thus they are prone to error and contradicting traditions. After all, Orthodox already allow divorce. Some Orthodox patriarchates are known to be in favor of allowing contraception as well.
As long as you are Catholic, you will have access to the truth. Thus, it is why you know why somethings are right or wrong like the OP issue. If you leave the church, you are just trading that treasure for something that makes you feel good.
i’m very happy that you were able to find a cheap house.
