Disrespect toward Islam on this Forum

[Sixtus]

So Sixtus can read my mind. Wow, impressive. He also is now the interpreter of the rules eh? It is nice that you care so deeply for Osama et al.

I can just see the mentality as the Last Supper was drawing to a close. The Lord saw Judas leave and told him to go and do what he had to do, then He turned to His apostles and said:

Right lads, my hour has nearly come, go and fetch yer muskets, and Simon did you keep the powder dry, we are in for a right ole shooting match. Simon did you sharpen your sword?

Right me hearties, at the first sight of the Sanhedrin police, lets get at it. ‘fix bayonets’…advance…!

 

[Sixtus]

He [Sixtus] also is now the interpreter of the rules eh?

Ouch!!! That hurt…somebody

So Sixtus can read my mind. Wow, impressive. It is nice that you care so deeply for Osama et al.

I can just see the mentality as the Last Supper was drawing to a close. The Lord saw Judas leave and told him to go and do what he had to do, then He turned to His apostles and said:

Right lads, my hour has nearly come, go and fetch yer muskets, and Simon did you keep the powder dry, we are in for a right ole shooting match. Simon did you sharpen your sword?

Right me hearties, at the first sight of the Sanhedrin police, lets get at it. ‘fix bayonets’…advance…!

 

[Sixtus]

Of course my post above is intended to be humour but it does rather show what a mess we would be in if the Lord adopted the SAME attitude against a more formidable enemy!

I am not suggesting that Christians should lie down, nor am I advocating passive resistance, nor self sacrifice in place of self defence.

What I AM arguing is that Christians on this thread and similar refrain from ganging up on, setting traps to ensnare unsuspecting Muslims and bullying them

I am suggesting that despite the oppostition from Islam and the other opposing forces against Christianity, we as individuals and collectively have a duty to ‘love our neighbour’. We also have a duty to respect others religion whether we agree or not.

Do as you will, it bothers me not. I shall continue to show respect to my brothers and sisters regardless how they differ from me.

Where I see they are being harassed and bullied, I will RUN to their defence

 

[Montalban]

I can just see the mentality as the Last Supper was drawing to a close. The Lord saw Judas leave and told him to go and do what he had to do, then He turned to His apostles and said:

Right lads, my hour has nearly come, go and fetch yer muskets, and Simon did you keep the powder dry, we are in for a right ole shooting match. Simon did you sharpen your sword?

Right me hearties, at the first sight of the Sanhedrin police, lets get at it. ‘fix bayonets’…advance…!

We’re simply discussing Islam here. Obviously that is soooo upsetting to some that they think that this equates to a massive insult.

No wonder Islam gets Western converts. There’s always some westerner out there ready to shield Islam from any logical critique. Islam’s immune from discourse. That’s the way of the Moslem apologist.

 

[Sixtus]

Of course my post above is intended to be humour but it does rather show what a mess we would be in if the Lord adopted the SAME attitude against a more formidable enemy!

I am not suggesting that Christians should lie down, nor am I advocating passive resistance, nor self sacrifice in place of self defence.

What I AM arguing is that Christians on this thread and similar refrain from ganging up on, setting traps to ensnare unsuspecting Muslims and bullying them

I am suggesting that despite the oppostition from Islam and the other opposing forces against Christianity, we as individuals and collectively have a duty to ‘love our neighbour’. We also have a duty to respect others religion whether we agree or not.

Do as you will, it bothers me not. I shall continue to show respect to my brothers and sisters regardless how they differ from me.

Where I see my enemy being harrassed harangued and bullied by my brother, I will RUN to my enemies defence

 

[Montalban]

Sixtus:

Of course my post above is intended to be humour but it does rather show what a mess we would be in if the Lord adopted the SAME attitude against a more formidable enemy!

To use your effort at straw-man, St. Paul going into a pagan town and seeing boys and girls who are used for pagan temple orgies would say
“Although I think this is personally repugnant, I better not say anything about it because it might offend pagans and mean that I don’t respect them”.

Sixtus:

I am not suggesting that Christians should lie down, nor am I advocating passive resistance, nor self sacrifice in place of self defence.

That is what you’re advocating. You’re saying Christians can’t discuss Islam’s demerits

Sixtus:

What I AM arguing is that Christians on this thread and similar refrain from ganging up on, setting traps to ensnare unsuspecting Muslims and bullying them

This is a DISCUSSION FORUM. You’re creating a false construct again and saying that Christians shouldn’t even discuss Islam - (because you’ve made up ‘traps’ etc.)

Sixtus:

I am suggesting that despite the oppostition from Islam and the other opposing forces against Christianity, we as individuals and collectively have a duty to ‘love our neighbour’. We also have a duty to respect others religion whether we agree or not.

That’s not true. I have not been called by God to respect the practice of evil. Again to use your straw-man

Jesus doesn’t drive the demons out but instead says “Hey guys, I don’t agree with what you’re doing, but I respect what you’re trying to do”

Sixtus:

Do as you will, it bothers me not. I shall continue to show respect to my brothers and sisters regardless how they differ from me.

Satanists will be happy to hear that

Sixtus:

Where I see they are being harassed and bullied, I will RUN to their defence

How noble.

If I see a Nazi being bullied because he advocates the killing of Jews I’ll be sure to call you over to help him.

 

[Sixtus]

Mountalban posted:

We’re simply discussing Islam here

OH NO WE ARE NOT!!!

THIS HAS NOTHING WHATSOVER TO DO WITH ISLAM

 

[Montalban]

Sixtus and others seem to have confused positive terms, such as respect.

I mentioned an example in another post on another thread. If I saw a documentary about a Nazi working in a concentration camp and they started to talk about how ‘dedicated’ he was, and how he worked harder than any other Nazi in order to fulfill his duties, because of* love* of his nation, *respect *for his leader and *honour *of his code then these ‘positive’ words take on a different meaning due to the context of what this man is working towards.

His aims make such ‘dedication’ repugnant. He might even have got awards such as for braverly putting down a rebellion of inmates. Such an award again though is not a ‘merit’ to him, but a 'demerit

 

[Montalban]

OH NO WE ARE NOT!!!

THIS HAS NOTHING WHATSOVER TO DO WITH ISLAM

You’re not even discussing anything with a retort like that. I’ve also mentioned in my posts issues of ‘respect’ etc. which you also seemed to have missed.

You think it’s noble defending a person promoting a cause, per se

I don’t. I have stated why.

If you disagree that you’re defending anyone is noble, then we *can *discuss the merits of Islam.

 

[Montalban]

What is deemed ‘good’ in Islam is so opposed to Christianity that it warrants detailed discussion.

Muhammed is their ideal man. Jesus is our ideal. You can compare the two to see what they aim for as opposed to what we aim for.

Muhammed oversaw the execution of PoWs. He urged someone to lie, in order to murder someone. He laughed when people told him that they’d murdered his enemies. He had intercourse with a child.

All of these things demand examination and discussion.

 

[Sixtus]

Mountalban posted:

If I see a Nazi being bullied because he advocates the killing of Jews I’ll be sure to call you over to help him.

That is rich seeings you and your mates are the very one’s who are advocating Nazi tyranny. That is really sick man. My father and grandfather fought in two world wars to defeat that mentality.

We are not arguing about Islam. This has nothing to do with Islam. It is all about beastly behavour.

It is all about that in man which makes me ashamed to be one

It is all about laying traps for unsuspecting Muslims, ganging up on them, insulting them, offending them, shouting at them, telling them they are instrinsically sick and evil even though you do not know the identity of the person you are persecuting.

It is all about beastly behaviour…and showing individual Muslims that your version of Christianity is no better than the worst of Islam

My version of Christianity is about love of the individual, respect for their individual dignity.and right to express themselves without fear of ridicule or being emotionally hurt. That is Nazi tyranny, not love of neighbour. I think there is here a subtle loss of reality

Thank God I love you too, as that is stopping me from telling you what I really think of bullies.

 

[birdsong]

This has to be one of the most absurd lines of “reasoning” I have ever read in my life …. It seems like Mr. “wanna-be-martyr-but-at-a-distance” Sixtus will hurriedly run to help his “muslim brothers and sisters” any and every time their nonsense is being refuted by others here even after the silliness of their arguments has been exposed time after time after time??? ….

Whatever happened to logical discourse and reason? ……

Seriously Sixtus, do you ever read and meditate about what you write before you hit the “submit reply” button??

Where I see my enemy being harrassed harangued and bullied by my brother, I will RUN to my enemies defence

 

[birdsong]

yeah, and I also read the other day that groups that push for the abortion agenda were being bullied by those “uncharitable and sick” pro-life catholic groups …

I wonder where our good friend Sixtus was to come to the rescue of the pro-abortion groups???

How noble.

If I see a Nazi being bullied because he advocates the killing of Jews I’ll be sure to call you over to help him.

 

[Sixtus]

Mountalban posted:

If I see a Nazi being bullied because he advocates the killing of Jews I’ll be sure to call you over to help him.

That is rich seeings you and your mates are the very one’s who are advocating Nazi tyranny. That is really sick man. My father and grandfather fought in two world wars to defeat that mentality.

We are not arguing about Islam. This has nothing to do with Islam. It is all about beastly behavour. Some vbelieve because they are Christian therefore they have a licence to visit as much evil on others as they think fit.

It is all about that in man which makes me ashamed to be one

It is all about laying traps for unsuspecting Muslims, ganging up on them, insulting them, offending them, shouting at them, telling them they are instrinsically sick and evil even though you do not know the identity of the person you are persecuting.

It is all about beastly behaviour…and showing individual Muslims that your version of Christianity is no better than the worst of Islam

My version of Christianity is about love of the individual, respect for their individual dignity.and right to express themselves without fear of ridicule or being emotionally hurt. That is Nazi tyranny, not love of neighbour. I think there is here a subtle loss of reality

Thank God I love you too, as that is stopping me from telling you what I really think of bullies.

Whatever happened to logical discourse and reason? ……

 

[Sixtus]

Seriously Sixtus, do you ever read and meditate about what you write before you hit the “submit reply” button??/

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Ok birdsong, you are right, lets lay traps, ambush and and rip the hearts out of unsuspecting lone Muslims who post here……I think not. Have you any idea of the evils that are visited on those who are victims to bullying?

Emotional harm, lack of sleep, careless driving, loss of life, marital disharmony where the vulnerable are the only real victims, child abuse, etc etc etc

Of course this is nothing to do with anyone on this forum is it? Oh no, we can be as hurtful as we like because we can find some obscure text in our bible which supports us hurting others.

That is not what my bible says…nor my rule of life.

I would seriously suggest reading some works by St Augustine or some other Catholic texts but be careful…they do mention that horrible word…love!

 

[birdsong]

You are such a noble man Sixtus, I am humbled ……

Poor muslims, we’re being so mean and uncharitable to them that people like that hamban2, meedo, mahdi and others will have an emotional breakdown and have a ruined life just because we are rejecting their propaganda about muhhamad and the quoran with historical facts, reason and logics? ……

At least I have to thank you because you did not say that our “bullying” of your “muslim brothers and sisters” can transform them into suicidal bombers …

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[Sixtus]

You think it’s noble defending a person promoting a cause, per se

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Now look here, you are not turning the tables on me and trying to accuse me of your tyranny. You are the one who is adovacting the use of violence not me!!!

You are the one who is arguing in support of violence not me.

What is deemed ‘good’ in Islam is so opposed to Christianity that it warrants detailed discussion.

This is nothing to do with what’s good in Islam, this is nothing to do with Islam so do not know why you are even mentioning it

Muhammed is their ideal man. Jesus is our ideal. You can compare the two to see what they aim for as opposed to what we aim for.

Just an arguement to try to support your advocation of ambush and killing

Muhammed oversaw the execution of PoWs. He urged someone to lie, in order to murder someone. He laughed when people told him that they’d murdered his enemies. He had intercourse with a child.

So did Adolf Hitler!!

I am not in the slightest bit interested in Islam or for that matter…your religion. Whatever it is, it is not Christian. Christ did not advocate doing emotional harm to anyone. Show me one text in your bible which says that HE did.just one!!

We are not discussing Islam we are discussing ambushing and killing lone Muslims who visit this forum, to visit on them as much evil as our minds can conjure. Some here are trying to outdo Islam in cruelty and trying to say 'look, you are not alone, our religion can be just as horrible if not worse.

Well keep me out of it. When you are killing innocents, whom you do not know, have never seen except for their posts here, you are not doing so in my name.

You have judged and condemned lone Muslims who have posted here and you know nothing about them. You have no proof they support Osama Bin Laden. You know nothing about those you seek to destroy. You do not know, for all you know they may be very devout. You are advocating the very same creed as the fanatics of Islam. That makes you brothers.

I have met devout Muslims and they put many Christians to shame. They do not support any sort of violence, what so ever. They pray every hour and on the half hour. Yet you would readily kill them.

What is your saying? ‘Shoot first and then ask questions’!

What really scares me is you have even found a priest who supports you

 

[birdsong]

Sixtus, Montalban does not need me to defend him, but your vile and repugnant accusation can not go unchallenged by any decent person here ….

Prove in a clear, demonstrable and unmistakeable way that Montalban has ever advocated harming muslims or using violence against muslims ….

Now look here, you are not turning the tables on me and trying to accuse me of your tyranny. You are the one who is adovacting the use of violence not me!!!

You are the one who is arguing in support of violence not me.

supports you

 

[Sixtus]

Birdsong wrote:

At least I have to thank you because you did not say that our “bullying” of your “muslim brothers and sisters” can transform them into suicidal bombers

Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting thing.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity.

Now that is really interesting,

May I quote you? Or rather I will quote you. Thanks

 

[Montalban]

That is rich seeings you and your mates are the very one’s who are advocating Nazi tyranny
That is really sick man. My father and grandfather fought in two
world wars to defeat that mentality.

Who’s advocating Nazism? Nazis were in support of controlling ideas, not free debate.

We are not arguing about Islam. This has nothing to do with Islam. It is all about beastly behaviour. Some believe because they are Christian therefore they have a licence to visit as much evil on others as they think fit.

Who’s advocating this?

It is all about that in man which makes me ashamed to be one

You’re ashamed because of two things that are strawmen!

It is all about laying traps for unsuspecting Muslims, ganging up on them, insulting them, offending them, shouting at them, telling them they are intrinsically sick and evil even though you do not know the identity of the person you are persecuting.

Are we about discussing Islam, or not? You can’t make up your mind on this one.

It is all about beastly behaviour…and showing individual Muslims that your version of Christianity is no better than the worst of Islam

Again with the straw-man. I’m not advocating anything other than discussion

My version of Christianity is about love of the individual, respect for their individual dignity.and right to express themselves without fear of ridicule or being emotionally hurt. That is Nazi tyranny, not love of neighbour. I think there is here a subtle loss of reality

Thank God I love you too, as that is stopping me from telling you what I really think of bullies.

Whatever happened to logical discourse and reason? ……

If you love me, then why can’t you discuss what I’m discussing without resorting to straw-man?