Disrespect toward Islam on this Forum

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well I have reported certain Muslim posters for attempted proselytisation and nothing has been done:confused:
it’s inevitable when Muslim posters come here trying to assert that Jesus was a Muslim that they’re going to get a hostile reaction - that to me is extremely offensive
we should defend our faith in the right way
 
heathernoel said:
What is there to respect about Islam? We can’t trust anything that flies out of a Muslim’s mouth because even their ‘prophet’ tells them to lie.

May the Lord Jesus Bless You.
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There is much to respect! Many are harmless humans and just want to have a good life for their families. You cant identify with that.
 
Sajona said:
There is much to respect! Many are harmless humans and just want to have a good life for their families. You cant identify with that.
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You’re confusing respect for individuals, “our neighbour”, with respect for Islam. Islam deserves no respect, people do.
 
jack_hawkins said:
well I have reported certain Muslim posters for attempted proselytisation and nothing has been done:confused:
it’s inevitable when Muslim posters come here trying to assert that Jesus was a Muslim that they’re going to get a hostile reaction - that to me is extremely offensive
we should defend our faith in the right way
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hola jack hawkins,

i do not know why your reports have not been followed up on, maybe the moderators are very busy?

i think what you said about being extremely offended and the need for defensiveness is very true… i think that if we really enforced this no proselytism rule then there would not be a need to feel defensive and the atmosphere would be less tense… and we could have different conversations with muslims and others…

Dominus Vobiscum
 
jack_hawkins said:
You’re confusing respect for individuals, “our neighbour”, with respect for Islam. Islam deserves no respect, people do.
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People make up Islam, just like the people make up the church…
with out those people there is no Islam or church.
 
heathernoel said:
What is there to respect about Islam? We can’t trust anything that flies out of a Muslim’s mouth because even their ‘prophet’ tells them to lie.

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hola heathernoel,

…the catechism tells us what there is to respect about islam at 840… i share your frustration when they open polemical threads about islam intended for proselytism. but we should not interpret our online experiences into real life and turn our backs on the direction of cooperation the catechism lays down. they follow a false prophet, but even despite this the catechism tells us there are things about muslims worth respecting.

the simpler solution is to think of this as a forum problem, not a religious problem… tighter attention to enforcing the proselytism and cut-paste polemical restrictions would mean less headaches for everybody 🙂

Dominus Vobiscum
 
Catechism:
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
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“Lumen Gentium” said:
16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20*) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, “Preach the Gospel to every creature”,(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.
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Sajona said:
People make up Islam, just like the people make up the church…
with out those people there is no Islam or church.
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you obviously don’t understand
Islam is a set of ideas
it is perfectly reasonable to attack these set of ideas
it’s called reasoning and debate, it’s the way society advances in knowledge
unfortunately debate and dissent are suppressed in Islam, which is not me nitpicking but explaining why you may find the idea of people criticising Islam unacceptable
 
I will respect islam when I can say Mass publically in Saudi Arabia without fear for my safety.
 
Jedda said:
Well I dont see that happening any time soon!
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well we all realise this - we can look at many other Muslim countries and see suppression of debate and religious freedom
if you are a Christian in Pakistan you are liable to be accused of blasphemy for example
 
No offense here but I have to agree with some of my fellow posters. I respect the individual until they insult me or my faith. Really, how do you think we are treated on Islam boards? I have had some very nice debates with meedo. I haven’t changed his mind nor he mine but we have a better understanding of the way each other thinks. I am very devoted to my faith as I am sure you are to yours, but instead of mudslinging, maybe we should avoid the pitfall of pride and act with compassion and humanity. For example: I totally disagree with what Islam teaches, but I admit to a great respect to their devotion to prayer. That being said, I also believe that nobody has the right to desecrate, destroy or otherwise commit a crime in the others designated places of worship (church/mosque). It pains me to see that Muslim terrorists(note I did not say all Muslims) think nothing of going into a church and killing. It also pains me to see that they use their own mosques to store weapons and harbor terrorists. Doesn’t that anger any of you non-radical Muslims? Do you hate that they are desecrating your holy place with weapons? How do you feel when terrorists kill Christians in the name of Allah? Does this make you mad? These are the things I want to know. I am sure most of the Muslims on this board are not violent nor are they terrorists… how do you feel when terrorists kill other Muslims? For American Muslims… were you afraid to go out after 9/11? What were you afraid would happen to you?
 
Madhi, you make some pretty general claims, so I can only make a general reply. Radical Islam is perhaps the most potent threat to world peace that has come along in decades. Within the borders of the United States it seems that many Muslims seek to call attention to themselves by obvious, public, disruptive behavior. When the police arrive, the next word out of their mouth is persecution. I’d have a very difficult time attending Mass in Saudi Arabia, if I could do it at all. There is an obvious double standard operative in many cases. Well, here it is as simply as I can put it. Behave like a normal law abiding person, and you’ll be treated that way. You don’t get to break all the rules, or bend them so much as to make them unrecognizeable. If you’re in the United States, you play by our rules.
 
madhi said:
Peace,

Visiting I find much disrespect toward Islam among the member of this forum.

I desire to address what appears to be an uncharacteristic relationship between Christians and Muslims, insha’allah.

Peace.
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I find it is more defending Christianity.

Some Muslim posters come in and drop a bomb and leave. After a while, we start to remember their names and pretty much move in for the kill immediately.

I get few answers to questions I pose to Muslims about their religion.

I for one, cannot immagine going to a Muslim board to do anything except learn about Islam. Going there to pick a fight or show Muslims how wrong they are or how right I am is just asking for it.
 
What is there to respect about Islam? We can’t trust anything that flies out of a Muslim’s mouth
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We have an absolute duty to respect and love both those who love us and those who persecute us.

We also are commanded by our Master to love Jn 15:17,

We are commanded to forgive Mk 11:25, Mt 7:1-2

We are also assured that despite elements who would destroy us [and that is not only the fringe elements within Islam but also the secular world], we will not be overcome. Our Master promises to be with us always even to the end of time. Mt 28:20 🙂
 
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