Disrespect toward Islam on this Forum

[Rachel_Malloy]

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[hosemonkey]

Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans “to the very Last One”. Following are excerpts from the sermon that took place last month, courtesy of MEMRI.

Ahmad Bahr began: “You will be victorious” on the face of this planet. You are the masters of the world on the face of this planet. Yes, [the Koran says that] “you will be victorious,” but only “if you are believers.” Allah willing, “you will be victorious,” while America and Israel will be annihilated. I guarantee you that the power of belief and faith is greater than the power of America and Israel. They are cowards, who are eager for life, while we are eager for death for the sake of Allah. That is why America’s nose was rubbed in the mud in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Somalia, and everywhere.

Bahr continued and said that America will be annihilated, while Islam will remain. The Muslims “will be victorious, if you are believers.” Oh Muslims, I guarantee you that the power of Allah is greater than America, by whom many are blinded today. Some people are blinded by the power of America. We say to them that with the might of Allah, with the might of His Messenger, and with the power of Allah, we are stronger than America and Israel.

The Hamas spokesperson concluded with a prayer, saying: “Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet defeat the Jews and the Americans, and bring us victory over them.”

When I no longer see stuff like this in the news, THEN I will have respect for moslems and Islam. When everyone can freely practice their religion in moslem countries, THEN I will respect moslems and Islam. When women are freed from bondage and are not treated like chattel, THEN I respect moslems and Islam. When Islam comes out of the middle ages and into the world, THEN I will respect moslems and Islam. Not until.

 

[Valke2]

When I no longer see stuff like this in the news, THEN I will have respect for moslems and Islam. When everyone can freely practice their religion in moslem countries, THEN I will respect moslems and Islam. When women are freed from bondage and are not treated like chattel, THEN I respect moslems and Islam. When Islam comes out of the middle ages and into the world, THEN I will respect moslems and Islam. Not until.

I’m sure you are an intelligent person. You know what is required of your posts here. You can either do what you agreed to do when you registered for this forum or you can do otherwise. Those are really the only two choices. And that doesn’t change no matter what Sheik Bahr said.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’m sure you are an intelligent person. You know what is required of your posts here. You can either do what you agreed to do when you registered for this forum or you can do otherwise. Those are really the only two choices. And that doesn’t change no matter what Sheik Bahr said.

Wait a minute. Do the rules say that we are limited, in this forum, to discussing Islam as a comparative religion only, and that we cannot express fears or concerns we have for ourselves or others; particularly Jews and Christians who live under Islam? We cannot be advised of threats?

If those are the rules, then Islam itself is off limits except insofar as some Islamic scholar or other wants to proselytize. I think few wish to be subjected to that. Most people’s concerns are not about the particularities of its theology as someone wants to favorably present them, but about what most perceive as a threat. And I think that’s legitimate.

I really would like to know the answer to this, and I trust I will receive one.

 

[Publisher]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=145207

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Members are not allowed to be disrespectful of anyone’s faith or religion, whether it is Catholicism or not. If a member is disrespectful, he will generally be counseled first and suspended if he persists in disrespectful postings.

If the nature of an initial posting is blatantly disrespectful to any religion (e.g., “the pope is the anti-Christ” or “Rome is the Whore of Babylon” or “Muslims are terrorists”), suspension may be immediate and without prior counseling.

Members are free to discuss, dialogue, question, disagree with, and debate the doctrines and dogmas of both Catholicism and non-Catholic religions. However, all discourse must be civil and charitable.

Guidelines
For both Catholic and non-Catholic posters:

• It is acceptable to question the doctrine or dogma of another’s faith
• It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual’s beliefs
• Bringing up historical controversies peculiar to a particular religion should be done cautiously*
• It is acceptable to discuss the effect the incident had on current policy or practice.
• It is acceptable to seek the truth vs. commonly-held beliefs or conventional wisdom about actual events.
• It is fallacious reasoning to use embarrassing incidents to claim that they “prove” a particular religion is false.
• Expecting members of any Church to defend or answer for the excesses or extremism of bodies that have broken with it is a technique that has no merit and can’t be defended.

*It is our observation that discussion of such past events rarely serves a useful purpose and inevitably opens a thread to posts that violate forum rules and/or the bounds of civil discourse. So, while such threads may be useful, they raise a red flag for the Moderation staff.

I can see from the posts in this thread your advice is taken seriously.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

Wait a minute. Do the rules say that we are limited, in this forum, to discussing Islam as a comparative religion only, and that we cannot express fears or concerns we have for ourselves or others; particularly Jews and Christians who live under Islam? We cannot be advised of threats?

If those are the rules, then Islam itself is off limits except insofar as some Islamic scholar or other wants to proselytize. I think few wish to be subjected to that. Most people’s concerns are not about the particularities of its theology as someone wants to favorably present them, but about what most perceive as a threat. And I think that’s legitimate.

I really would like to know the answer to this, and I trust I will receive one.

I believe that would fall under:

“It is acceptable to question the doctrine or dogma of another’s faith”

God bless-

Rachel

 

[hosemonkey]

I’m sure you are an intelligent person. You know what is required of your posts here. You can either do what you agreed to do when you registered for this forum or you can do otherwise. Those are really the only two choices. And that doesn’t change no matter what Sheik Bahr said.

I have no idea of what you are talking about. I am making a simple statement of fact as regards my position vis-a-vis Islam and moslems. I am not attacking, merely making observations. When moslems join the world and live in peace with their neighbors, then, I am sure that my views will change.

 

[GreenJeans]

What reason is there to respect any religion? What reason is there to respect any philosophy? What reason is there to respect any idea?

 

[cor]

What reason is there to respect any religion? What reason is there to respect any philosophy? What reason is there to respect any idea?

To the extent to which it is true. But there are true things about the Muslim religion. For instance, some parts of the Koran have some literary beauty – this literary beauty is a form of truth. Regardless one should be sensitive to the religious beliefs and sentiments of others – this flows not from respect for their religion but out respect for them as human persons. And, I think is what some people mean when they speak of respect for other religions; they mean to be mindful of the sincere emotions of another human person.

 

[birdsong]

It is nice to wake up and have my daily dose of “political correctness” early in the morning …. so I take it that we should be respectful of all and any ideology, faith, creed, etc, just because other people consider them sacred and the ultimate truth?? ……

On this basis, when should I expect you to start a thread about the respect that Nazism, Satanism, communism, and many other “ism’s” deserve just because some people consider them as true ideologies?

To the extent to which it is true. But there are true things about the Muslim religion. For instance, some parts of the Koran have some literary beauty – this literary beauty is a form of truth. Regardless one should be sensitive to the religious beliefs and sentiments of others – this flows not from respect for their religion but out respect for them as human persons. And, I think is what some people mean when they speak of respect for other religions; they mean to be mindful of the sincere emotions of another human person.

 

[heathernoel]

It is nice to wake up and have my daily dose of “political correctness” early in the morning …. so I take it that we should be respectful of all and any ideology, faith, creed, etc, just because other people consider them sacred and the ultimate truth?? ……

On this basis, when should I expect you to start a thread about the respect that Nazism, Satanism, communism, and many other “ism’s” deserve just because some people consider them as true ideologies?

Thank you! I don’t want to be called out again as if I were some form of defective Catholic because I still don’t understand why we are to “respect” Muslims. I saw little to no respect after 9/11, 7/7 etc…so why now? I can love them, but respect?

Perhaps when those opposing the ‘extremists’ start speaking up. Telling us that’s not what ‘true’ Islam believes. But they can’t, because then they’d be going against their own beliefs, which encourage violence. They’d be put to death for even insinuating that others in their belief system were wrong.

And the point to my response is already lost

 

[Booklover]

It is nice to wake up and have my daily dose of “political correctness” early in the morning …. so I take it that we should be respectful of all and any ideology, faith, creed, etc, just because other people consider them sacred and the ultimate truth?? ……

On this basis, when should I expect you to start a thread about the respect that Nazism, Satanism, communism, and many other “ism’s” deserve just because some people consider them as true ideologies?

How about cannibalism! Great post!

Vickie

 

[jack_hawkins]

Thank you! I don’t want to be called out again as if I were some form of defective Catholic because I still don’t understand why we are to “respect” Muslims. I saw little to no respect after 9/11, 7/7 etc…so why now? I can love them, but respect?

Perhaps when those opposing the ‘extremists’ start speaking up. Telling us that’s not what ‘true’ Islam believes. But they can’t, because then they’d be going against their own beliefs, which encourage violence. They’d be put to death for even insinuating that others in their belief system were wrong.

And the point to my response is already lost

and it’s true that when truly moderate Muslims have spoken up against extremism, they have been ostracised in some cases
the British government made an error when they consulted with the Muslim Council of Britain because they described themselves as “moderates”, as it turned out they really weren’t moderate at all
so certainly in the UK the problem is most of the major organisations aren’t moderate

 

[Dirk_Skene]

Madhi, this is a Catholic forum. I come here to talk to Catholics about Catholic teachings. Sometimes that means not speaking highly about those that are not. Get over it.

 

[GreenJeans]

Should Mulims respect Christianity?
Should Hindus respect Christianity?
Should Christians respect Islam?
Should Christians respect Hinduism?

 

[Sandi]

I agree, as well as to any faith system that isn’t Catholic.

 

[Dirk_Skene]

I agree, as well as to any faith system that isn’t Catholic.

Weeell, it is a forum set up for Catholics. Personally I think no visitor has a real legit reason to feel offended. They knew what this was when they came here. {kinda reminds me of Iorn Eyes Cody’s story of the brave & the snake} They came always leave.

If I were to visit a non-Catholic forum I would have the good taste to be respectful of them & not push Christian teachings. That is why I do not visit sites of other religions.

My “fight song” is “I won’t back down” by Tom Petty. It sums me up.

 

[Valke2]

huh. I can’t think of a song that would sum me up.

 

[Dirk_Skene]

huh. I can’t think of a song that would sum me up.

Maybe you’re a bit more complex my Jewish friend I have a lot of Pict in my ancestory maybe that’s got something to do with it

 

[Sixtus]

There is a lot of hype about how Christians have been treated [or mis-treated] by Islam. I am not denying the misery that can be caused. But it is not only our solemn duty commanded by Christ that we ‘love one another’ Jn15:17 but also a forum rule.

I would suggest that if a Moslem feel they have been insulted, it is your right to complain to the forum moderators.