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This may be a dumb question but I was wondering how religious communities can publish material that goes against Church teaching. I was on the U.S. Catholic website which is operated by the Claretians and there was an article trying to justify fornication. This is just one example. How can they do this without repercussions? Can anyone explain because I am really curious.
 
two1176 said:
This may be a dumb question but I was wondering how religious communities can publish material that goes against Church teaching. I was on the U.S. Catholic website which is operated by the Claretians and there was an article trying to justify fornication. This is just one example. How can they do this without repercussions? Can anyone explain because I am really curious.
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I don’t think they can get away with it. If you are worried, I would consider reporting them and then avoid that website. I don’t really know how to go about reporting them, but I would probably ask a priest where to go. You might have to go to the diocese they are representing and tell them your concerns. It’s good for your conscience and God will reward those who stand up for their faith. :blessyou:
 
I was in a left leaning religious communitity(i didn’t realize when i joined) before leaving after first year of temporary vows. In public they did not really do anything that radical, but behind closed doors was another story. It appears that many of the old liberal religious communities are getting rather old and not able to replace their numbers. I was at a conference once with mostly sisters and the average age was 76. I won’t say what community I was with but they publish things of varying degrees of Orthodoxy. I am not sure how the bishops do not come down on openly dissenting groups. Now that I am back home I am in a very solid diocese which has done wonders for my faith life.
 
two1176 said:
This may be a dumb question but I was wondering how religious communities can publish material that goes against Church teaching. I was on the U.S. Catholic website which is operated by the Claretians and there was an article trying to justify fornication. This is just one example. How can they do this without repercussions? Can anyone explain because I am really curious.
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I don’t know if I would include the US Catholic website in the list of faithful Catholic websites. It seems like a dissenting website with questionable material.
 
I just went to the website and it seems to have lots of articles and links promoting feminism and women ordinations. There is even a link to Women’s Ordination Conference :eek:
 
The real danger is for those Catholics who do not have a solid grasp of the Faith, they may think these things are acceptable because the site claims to be Catholic.
 
two1176 said:
The real danger is for those Catholics who do not have a solid grasp of the Faith, they may think these things are acceptable because the site claims to be Catholic.
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Kind of reminds me of the list I read about dissenting Catholics and which societies to stay away from. I think U.S. Catholic magazine might have been on it (in fact, I’m 98% sure). There’s a link about it somewhere. I’ll try to dig it up…
 
Another good website that reviews Catholic sites is Catholicculture.org They have many reviews of Catholic websites and have them categorized between the good and dangerous sites and reasons why.🙂
 
two1176 said:
This may be a dumb question but I was wondering how religious communities can publish material that goes against Church teaching. I was on the U.S. Catholic website which is operated by the Claretians and there was an article trying to justify fornication. This is just one example. How can they do this without repercussions? Can anyone explain because I am really curious.
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Some orders are a bit rebellious. Maryknoll is like that. It’s communistic, and roudy.
 
two1176 said:
I was in a left leaning religious communitity(i didn’t realize when i joined) before leaving after first year of temporary vows. In public they did not really do anything that radical, but behind closed doors was another story. It appears that many of the old liberal religious communities are getting rather old and not able to replace their numbers. I was at a conference once with mostly sisters and the average age was 76. I won’t say what community I was with but they publish things of varying degrees of Orthodoxy. I am not sure how the bishops do not come down on openly dissenting groups. Now that I am back home I am in a very solid diocese which has done wonders for my faith life.
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Does this mean that if an order is growing and there are many younger people there, that it is more likely to be orthodox?
 
Monica4316 said:
Does this mean that if an order is growing and there are many younger people there, that it is more likely to be orthodox?
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I think that is true for the most part. A good indication for women’s religious is if they wear the habit or not. Many of the very liberal communities have given up the habit altogether and live separately. If their main focus is on social justice, eco-justice, etc. that is also a good indication that they are not orthodox. Mother Teresa’s sisters would be an exception. Keep in mind these are generalizations. If I was going to join a communitiy, I would ask them about Adoration, Common Rosary, obedience to the Magisterium, etc. If they roll their eyes or fumble around for an answer, I would look elsewhere.👍
 
There is one thing that really bugs me-how Sister Donna Quinn, a member of the Sinsinawa Dominicans known for her pro abortion views-
  1. signs the infamous New York Times ad
  2. claims she has never supported abortion
  3. in a book published a few years ago, is quoted as supporting abortion ‘rights’
  4. is seen disrupting a mass so as to distribute hosts to rainbow sash (pro homosexual) activists
  5. participates in the 'March for Women’s Lives, ’ is quoted as wondering why the Church does not support abortion
  6. stages the ‘pink smoke’ protest during the conclave after John Paul II’s death to protest ‘patriarchy’
  7. pickets in front of Pope’s apartment in Vatican for some feminist cause
    And she somehow avoids having her sorry backside kicked out into the real world? Is her prioress afraid of her? Why has she not been excommunicated? Could it be that bishops are also afraid of her? Why? Can anyone please do something about this person?
 
two1176 said:
I was in a left leaning religious communitity(i didn’t realize when i joined) before leaving after first year of temporary vows. In public they did not really do anything that radical, but behind closed doors was another story. It appears that many of the old liberal religious communities are getting rather old and not able to replace their numbers. I was at a conference once with mostly sisters and the average age was 76. I won’t say what community I was with but they publish things of varying degrees of Orthodoxy. I am not sure how the bishops do not come down on openly dissenting groups. Now that I am back home I am in a very solid diocese which has done wonders for my faith life.
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That, unfortunately, is the situation with most religious orders and societies, worldwide (ageing, and lack of vocations).

As for the varying degrees of Orthodoxy, well, I dunno. Most of them seem to me to be expressing the charism of their founders and looking for a way forward in a Church that is not the same Church as when they joined their order or society.
 
There really is very little enforcement of Catholic doctrine, discipline etc. in these times. That is just the state of affairs at the moment.

For it to change there would have to be changes at the bottom and at the top.

In any events the individual believer is called to self educate through approved sources so as to be able to discern when encountering troubled communities and so forth, and for that person’s own faith’s sake.
 
claretians? hmm…

there’s a very controversial catholic bible in our country published by the claretians. it contains heretical commentaries.
 
Random question:

I was told that the only site with orders that were accepted and approved by the Pope was cmswr.org/

On this forum I was told there were a few others. How does one know if the Orders are in line with the Church and approved by the Pope?

Any ideas?
 
What ‘was’ may not be what ‘is’. And what ‘is’ may not match what ‘will be’.

I was told once by an Archbishop that ‘sometimes the sheep stray’. Are we all not human? Do we not have a cross to bear too? Are we not asked to forgive as we have been forgiven? Are we not all sometimes beguiled by satan?

How do we know what site is approved… when? Discernment!
 
ladybuggirl84 said:
Random question:

I was told that the only site with orders that were accepted and approved by the Pope was cmswr.org/

On this forum I was told there were a few others. How does one know if the Orders are in line with the Church and approved by the Pope?

Any ideas?
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Not true…mine is a Pontifical rite congregation, but we do not belong to the Conference of Major Superiors of Women Religious; this is neither good nor bad (not belonging to CMSWR), just different. Our constitutions were approved by the Vatican.
 
Most communities are under the authority of the Sacred Congregation for Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life at the Vatican, the prefect of this congregation would be Franc Cardinal Rode, CM (spelling may be wrong-apologies if this is so). He has ultimate authority over all religious and members of societies of apostolic life and secular institutes. The local bishop would not have any direct control over these institutes as such, except in the case of priests exercising priestly ministry in his diocese, or individual religious who may be told to toe the line (as in a recent case involving a Sister-the LCWR, predictably, were all there for poor Sister, ignoring the scandal this woman was causing).
Now, diocesan communities are another matter, and may be disciplined by the bishop.
 
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