Dissidents now paying for ads against the POPE

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ROME (July 25) - More than 50 dissident Catholic groups published an unusually frank open letter to Pope Benedict on Friday saying the Church’s ban on contraception has been “catastrophic” and urging him to lift it.
The letter was published as a paid half-page advertisement in Corriere della Sera, Italy’s largest newspaper, on the 40th anniversary of the late Pope Paul VI’s controversial encyclical “Humanae Vitae,” which enshrined the ban.
While criticism of the Vatican and its views is fairly common in articles and editorials in Italian newspapers, it is unusual for a group to take out paid advertising against the pope, particularly in a large-circulation mainstream newspaper.
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It will be interesting to see if the Church listens to reason.
 
onetimeposter said:
It will be interesting to see if the Church listens to reason.
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And how is it reasonable to change the teachings of 2000 years. This prohibition was not an original thinking of the 1960’s just a clarification because of the times.

Papa B will remain true to Holy Mother Church.
 
jay29 said:
The Church has declared artificial contraception as intrinsically evil. They will not change that.
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Then the scourge of HIV transmission will continue in Africa.

The unwanted pregnancies will continue and desperate women will continue to seek abortions.

Hence the advertisements I suppose.
 
onetimeposter said:
Then the scourge of HIV transmission will continue in Africa.

The unwanted pregnancies will continue and desperate women will continue to seek abortions.

Hence the advertisements I suppose.
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An answer and excuse IMHO to expect form someone non-Catholic. All of the other religions have tended to promote what they have found toooo hard to preach. Abstinence, fidelity and self control.

The one country in Africa that has taken the moral stand on sexuality and family is the only one that has had a marked decline in HIV and AIDS.
 
the Pope will surely give the ad all the attention that it deserves…
 
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Then the scourge of HIV transmission will continue in Africa.

The unwanted pregnancies will continue and desperate women will continue to seek abortions.

Hence the advertisements I suppose.
KathleenElsie said:
An answer and excuse IMHO to expect form someone non-Catholic. All of the other religions have tended to promote what they have found toooo hard to preach. Abstinence, fidelity and self control.

The one country in Africa that has taken the moral stand on sexuality and family is the only one that has had a marked decline in HIV and AIDS.
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Nice how he seems to against abortion…?..but is pushing for contraception, which many of the forms are abortafatient as part of their mechanism. The majority of women wouldn’t be in a “desparate” way if they had just practiced a bit of self control.
 
KathleenElsie said:
The one country in Africa that has taken the moral stand on sexuality and family is the only one that has had a marked decline in HIV and AIDS.
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Are you suggesting that South Africa has a lower per capita HIV transmission rate than Canada?

68% of the worlds HIV infection is in developing countries.

The area in Africa south of the Sahara desert, known as sub-Saharan Africa, is by far the worst-affected in the world by the AIDS epidemic. The region has just over 10% of the world’s population, but is home to 68% of all people living with HIV.

6.4% of the worlds HIV infections are in developed nations.

Here is the per capita infection rates…notice how many at the top are in Africa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

Enough said, either you ignore the statistics or you don’t understand them.
 
OneTime,

Have you read Humanae Vitae?

Do you know the Church’s reason for her stance?

Have you read any Theology of the Body?

M
 
onetimeposter said:
Then the scourge of HIV transmission will continue in Africa.
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OneTimePoster, I agree that a case can be made for the use of condoms in a marriage where one spouse is HIV positive and one is negative. But the condom approach of many anti-AIDS efforts in Africa is self-defeating, since it encourages multiple partners and those condoms don’t get used consistently.

A far better approach is to promote fidelity to one partner. Uganda had great success with that strategy, but suffered an increase in HIV when the foreign program of ABC (Abstinence, Be faithful, Condoms if not A or B) was emphasized.
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Dale_M said:
since it encourages multiple partners and those condoms don’t get used consistently.

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On the contrary, it accepts the fact that people will have pre-marital sex with persons and people have always had pre-marital sex.

It is simply a mechanism with which people can help protect themselves when they choose to have sex with a stranger.

The Church saying abstain and the threat of a deadly infection does not stop people from engaging in these acts, so perhaps they should be taught how to protect themselves if they decide to have sex with person of unknown HIV status.
 
onetimeposter said:
On the contrary, it accepts the fact that people will have pre-marital sex with persons and people have always had pre-marital sex.

It is simply a mechanism with which people can help protect themselves when they choose to have sex with a stranger.

The Church saying abstain and the threat of a deadly infection does not stop people from engaging in these acts, so perhaps they should be taught how to protect themselves if they decide to have sex with person of unknown HIV status.
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And this is good for whom?
 
onetimeposter said:
On the contrary, it accepts the fact that people will have pre-marital sex with persons and people have always had pre-marital sex.
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I don’t think you quite got my point. Yes, many adults will have pre-marital sex (abstinence education works for teens, but after that its effectiveness falls off sharply).

The idea which should be promoted is restricting sex to one partner. Serial monogamy, as practiced in the US and Canada, isn’t the norm in most of sub-Saharan Africa. Promoting condoms has promoted “grazing” with multiple partners, which greatly increases risk of transmission.
 
onetimeposter said:
On the contrary, it accepts the fact that people will have pre-marital sex with persons and people have always had pre-marital sex.

It is simply a mechanism with which people can help protect themselves when they choose to have sex with a stranger.

The Church saying abstain and the threat of a deadly infection does not stop people from engaging in these acts, so perhaps they should be taught how to protect themselves if they decide to have sex with person of unknown HIV status.
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And you think these people really care what the Church teaches? They don’t seen to care what the Church says about fornication not sure what difference it would make if the Church okayed condoms.

The real attack on Humanae Vitae has less to do with AIDS in Africa and more to do with selfish Catholics in the Western world.

M
 
onetimeposter said:
On the contrary, it accepts the fact that people will have pre-marital sex with persons and people have always had pre-marital sex.

It is simply a mechanism with which people can help protect themselves when they choose to have sex with a stranger.
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People will do it anyway, we might as well make it easier for them. Maybe we should use that reasoning for other immoral acts. Some women will always seek an abortion, we might as well make it easier for them and set up abortion clinics. Lets go ahead and make all immoral acts easier just because some people will always do them. Does that sound like the actions of someone who follows Christ?
 
Dale_M said:
I don’t think you quite got my point. Yes, many adults will have pre-marital sex (abstinence education works for teens, but after that its effectiveness falls off sharply).
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The U.S. has a higher per capita rate of STD transmission and higher pregnancy rate that in Canada.

Canada is more open in regards to educating teens about contraception, than our U.S. neighbours.

The abstinence vs contraception debate is unheard of in Canada…as opposed to debate that is alive and well in the U.S.

The results speak for them selves.
 
onetimeposter said:
The U.S. has a higher per capita rate of STD transmission and higher pregnancy rate that in Canada.

Canada is more open in regards to educating teens about contraception, than our U.S. neighbours.

The abstinence vs contraception debate is unheard of in Canada…as opposed to debate that is alive and well in the U.S.

The results speak for them selves.
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Canada does not equal the United States. That alone grossly invalidates a conclusion that STD rates are directly a result of a “debate”

You would do better to follow the Truth and having found that first, then move forward.
 
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