Distribution of Wealth

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Church documents call on government to serve the people for the “common good.” In your opinion, what should government do, not do, or do better to serve this purpose?

This has always been the nature of my question, and as far as I can tell is completely in line with Catholic Social Teaching.
The federal government serves the people for the common good by defending us from foreign invaders, regulating interstate commerce, and handling international relations. The state governments serve the people for the common good by maintaining law enforcement, fire departments, etc.

You don’t have to take from someone and give to someone else when trying to serve the people for the common good.
 
That is why we have scholarships, student loans and many employers, including the military, who pay for their employees to go to higher education.
These are great things and I am in full support of them. I just believe in a both/and solution.

One could easily make the argument that public education is a hand out, or that paid military “service” is a hand out, among many other government programs. I disagree with this.
If it were being used as a hand up, then I would have a different opinion. Likewise I do not feel we have enough options to help people who get laid off and have to deal with the shock of loosing a significant portion of their income over the first month or so. The problem is that most people in these programs are in full and permanent reliance on them.
I completely agree that we should eliminate government programs where people are essentially using it as a hand out. This is not helping them.

Fortunately, there are programs that help many people get on their feet and live a normal life. My mother is an example of this.
Did you ever ask why these individuals do not get support from private sources? Maybe because they continue to make bad choices and sqander their opportunities and they can go to the big annonymous government and get something for nothing.
Many of them unfortunately do. To these individuals, they should get nothing. To individuals genuinely trying to make it, they should get help. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.

There are many good private charities that people use to help get on their feet. Many of these religious institutions, including Catholic ones, coordinate efforts with government to help serve the people.

But yes, I think it’s a good thing when individuals are willing to go to a private charity. There are many good ones out there. I’m not sure why you thought I would disagree with this.
Actually I think many who support welfare are the ones out of touch. Not all of us were meant for traditional jobs but all were meant to contribute and we were all given tallents to contribute to society. Some want to take of others talents but are unwilling to use their own talents.
If a person is not working and can work within a reasonable period of time, no, they should not get government assistance. I guess it depends on what you mean by “welfare.” Sometimes government assistance for a period of time if for the common good. This is something the Church supports in Catholic Social Teaching documents.
If someone is a welder and gets laid off they may have a hard time finding the exact same job elsewhere. If they open their eyes, they may be able to find suitable employment else where. Maybe not at the same wage but suitable employment none the less. Now I am not necesarily against a program to help these people out by unloading the assetts that they can no longer afford such as large houses, expensive cars, etc.
Yes, I agree. And hopefully in this economy there will be some kind of work for these individuals. If a person is living beyond their reasonable means in the first place, they really need to get a reality check.
It is not set up to suffocate working families, it is set up so all have opportunities, at least it was set up that way before the communist came in.
Do you believe the Church’s teaching that government work toward the common good is socialist teaching?

Again, I believe in personal responsibility, accountability, and hand ups for those who genuinely desire it. This will help all of us in the long run.
 
Many of them unfortunately do. To these individuals, they should get nothing. To individuals genuinely trying to make it, they should get help. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.
A government program can’t tell the difference.
 
Church documents call on government to serve the people for the “common good.” In your opinion, what should government do, not do, or do better to serve this purpose?

This has always been the nature of my question, and as far as I can tell is completely in line with Catholic Social Teaching.
The primary role of a moral government is to protect the rights of the individual.
 
Many of them unfortunately do. To these individuals, they should get nothing. To individuals genuinely trying to make it, they should get help. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.
Actually it is very easy. Those who send a government agent to your door with a gun to take your money are trying to get something for nothing. those who are trying to make it send a resume.
 
If a person is not working and can work within a reasonable period of time, no, they should not get government assistance. I guess it depends on what you mean by “welfare.” Sometimes government assistance for a period of time if for the common good. This is something the Church supports in Catholic Social Teaching documents.
What you are talking about here is unemployment insurance. Where people pay in based on their income level but if they loose their jobs, they get money to help them through a few months until they can get a new one. This is different from Welfare were people get money based on need with out having to put anything in up front.
 
Do you believe the Church’s teaching that government work toward the common good is socialist teaching?

Again, I believe in personal responsibility, accountability, and hand ups for those who genuinely desire it. This will help all of us in the long run.
Working for the common good is different than cultivating a dependent class that can be exploited to get politicians elected and to beused as an excuse to demand more powers. Further it is wrong to take from one person to give to another. If the government were to acquire money with out taking it from someone else then it would be a different story. Remember our country survived for years with out any income taxes.
 
Yes. And the way you have exercised this free will is through the democratic election of your government, who will hopefully help the poor more than the last bunch.
But the new administration will just kills millions of our babies.
 
Yes. And the way you have exercised this free will is through the democratic election of your government, who will hopefully help the poor more than the last bunch.
The funny thing with democracy is that 51% of the people usually find a way to exploit the other 49%.
 
A government program can’t tell the difference.
That’s why I believe it’s better to err on the side of caution. I don’t think most people in these programs intend to abuse the system in the long run.

That’s why I believe some restrictions, limitations, and deadlines ought to be put into place to make it a win/win for everyone. In other words, give those who really want it a fair opportunity to get their feet planted. If someone finds a decent job, it’s a win for all of us.

Every circumstance is unique.

Of course, this whole conversation has more to do with how we can regrow our middle class. Do you have any thoughts on how to accomplish this?
 
What you are talking about here is unemployment insurance. Where people pay in based on their income level but if they loose their jobs, they get money to help them through a few months until they can get a new one. This is different from Welfare were people get money based on need with out having to put anything in up front.
I don’t disagree with this.
 
Working for the common good is different than cultivating a dependent class that can be exploited to get politicians elected and to beused as an excuse to demand more powers. Further it is wrong to take from one person to give to another. If the government were to acquire money with out taking it from someone else then it would be a different story. Remember our country survived for years with out any income taxes.
Are you suggesting we scrap every government program that seek to give people a hand-up, regardless of their circumstance?

I agree with your point about cultivating a dependent class. This is a lose/lose for everyone, expect perhaps for those who want a communist state.
 
Should there be greater distribution of wealth in the United States? If so, what is the right way to go about it? If not, please also share your thoughts.
The Catechism says that both collectivist and out-of-control capitalist economics are unacceptable. Therefore, a mixed approach, which we have here in the U.S., is preferable. Re-destribution comes in the form of welfare and taxes. It’s only a matter of *how much. * How much do you, a working citizen, want to give up to Uncle Sam, so he can give it to the poor, after paying his own employees, of course? Cite the exact percentage of your income you’re willing to give away.
 
The funny thing with democracy is that 51% of the people usually find a way to exploit the other 49%.
Actually, in our representative democracy, it is more like the 1% exploiting the other 99%. Like the sugar farmers who lobby the government to keep out foreign sugar. The domestic price of sugar is over twice the world price because of the immoral behavior of sugar farmers getting legislators to give them protection against the importation of foreign sugar.
 
Much of what you’ve aid would certainly improve the current system, but not enough for me to consider it the better approach.
Of course, this whole conversation has more to do with how we can regrow our middle class. Do you have any thoughts on how to accomplish this?
Yes, I do.

Eliminate all income tax, replace it with a consumption based tax.

Return to the principles of Capitalism and Federalism, no more socialist economic policies.

Drastically reduce the size of our government, particularly on the federal level.

Eliminate the failed government schooling system which no longer provides a decent education.

There are many things I can think of to help regrow the middle class. I don’t think redistribution of wealth is necessary.
 
The Catechism says that both collectivist and out-of-control capitalist economics are unacceptable. Therefore, a mixed approach, which we have here in the U.S., is preferable. Re-destribution comes in the form of welfare and taxes. It’s only a matter of *how much. * How much do you, a working citizen, want to give up to Uncle Sam, so he can give it to the poor, after paying his own employees, of course? Cite the exact percentage of your income you’re willing to give away.
Actually, I would like to know where the Catechism says this. Please post it if you know where it is. So in essence, the Catechism isn’t saying that tax-money to the poor (or some redistribution of wealth) is theft?

Right now I could be making a lot more money; I am voluntarily working in a position that pays poorly. Right now, I am the working poor. Fortunately, I don’t have a family to watch over at this time.

Soon I will not make anything, maybe not even a regular stipend.I plan on doing some volunteer/missionary work in hopes of entering a formation program for the Religious Life.

If I was making a good salary, I would support having a large segment of my income going to effective programs. If they are ineffective and ultimately enable people to remain in poverty, this is not something I would support.

I surmise that if more money was allocated to effective programs and less money to ineffective ones, we would be much better off.
 
Much of what you’ve aid would certainly improve the current system, but not enough for me to consider it the better approach.

Yes, I do.

Eliminate all income tax, replace it with a consumption based tax.

Return to the principles of Capitalism and Federalism, no more socialist economic policies.

Drastically reduce the size of our government, particularly on the federal level.

Eliminate the failed government schooling system which no longer provides a decent education.

There are many things I can think of to help regrow the middle class. I don’t think redistribution of wealth is necessary.
I am open to having a consumption tax, such as the “Fair Tax.” I could see being a very good thing.

Where I would disagree is with the public education system. In many inner cities, the quality of the schools can be horrendous. In some other parts of the country, the quality is very good. For example, my public school ranked very close to many recognized private institutions. I guess it just depends…
 
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