Disturbed at how many priests are liberal

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i’ve been doing some research, in my Confirmation theology book, and it says this:
God created sex for 3 reasons,
  1. The possibility of creating new life
  2. The pleasure of both spouses
  3. To show the love between two spouses
    Anything less than this is a mortal sin.
Soooooo, lets see, masturbation =
  1. no possibility of new life
  2. Pleasure of one person
  3. No love required
So I’m forced to conclude its a mortal sin :o
 
John92 said:
Seriously. This is why I don’t like to call myself a traditionalist. There’s so much pride and anti-clericalism wrapped up in it.
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Dont confuse our our desire for a strong priesthood with anti-clericalism. Do Traditionalists like to shine a bright spotlight on weak liberal priests, you betcha! 👍 At the same time we like to remember the great priests of yesterday and point to them as worthy examples for priests of today. We must not stick our heads in the sand ignore the problems within the present priesthood. During the 60’s, some where around 1962, our church was attacked by priests who favored their own self-interests over those our our lord’s. Now is the time to fix the damage done by those radicals and confide in our lords promise that the gates of hell will will not prevail against his church.
 
youngsaint said:
i’ve been doing some research, in my Confirmation theology book, and it says this:
God created sex for 3 reasons,
  1. The possibility of creating new life
  2. The pleasure of both spouses
  3. To show the love between two spouses
    Anything less than this is a mortal sin.
Soooooo, lets see, masturbation =
  1. no possibility of new life
  2. Pleasure of one person
  3. No love required
So I’m forced to conclude its a mortal sin :o
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No! You are forced to conclude that it is grave matter; that the issue is serious enough that given full knowledge and full consent of the will, it is mortal sin. Without those two conditions, no action can be a mortal sin.
 
Lujack said:
No! You are forced to conclude that it is grave matter; that the issue is serious enough that given full knowledge and full consent of the will, it is mortal sin. Without those two conditions, no action can be a mortal sin.
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I didn’t know you could masturbate without knowing it, and consenting to it.
 
There are three conditions that have to be met to consider a sin mortal:
  1. The act has to be gravely sinful.
  2. The person doing it has to know it is gravely sinful.
  3. The person has to do it with full consent of the will.
It is possible to commit this sin without it being mortal sin.

Let’s say, for example, you were in a “liberal” church which taught that it is okay. By no fault of your own, it you would have no knowledge of the seriousness of it. (The teacher would be held accountable to God, though…)
Once you did find out, it would be mortal sin if you continued to do it.

It is possible to do it without full consent of the will. If someone held a gun to your head and said to do it, or if you had severe mental problems, it would not be with full consent of the will.
 
Lujack said:
The Church teaches masturbation is a grave matter. For a teenager, it is very likely that it is a venial sin, due to various factors that prevent it from being mortal. Since its a difficult sin to confess, I find it hard to fault a priest for not coming down with the wrath of God upon a teenager who was able to work up the courage to confess it.
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I also have the same problem with this particular sin. I am 18, btw. When I confessed it to my Spiritual Director, an Opus Dei priest, he told me to come and confess to him weekly. I am currently doing his suggestion and still struggling with this sin
:gopray:
 
Kamalayka said:
If someone held a gun to your head and said to do it,
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If I had a choice to commit a mortal sin or die…
I would be dead either way, dead in spirit, or dead in body. which is worse in the long run? I would rather die than kill my soul and risk the chance of going to hell…
What do you guys think?
 
pkshadow said:
I went to confession last saturday like i always do and confessed masturbation which i continuously struggle with. My priest responds by telling me its venial at my age(i always pull back the curtain i am 17 btw) If i didn’t know any better this could have stopped me trying quit, which disturbs me. Im thinking this is the appropriate Forum if not sorry.
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Tradycja said:
It is a mortal sin. Sad to say you can’t trust the advice of most “mainstream” priests today in confession.

I would recommend getting this moral theology book, that way you can check the priest’s advice against a decent moral theology manual.

tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/383/

Heck, you might want to even buy this book as a present for your liberal priest 👍
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So what is wrong with the moral theology of the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Is it not rigorous enough?

The CCC teaches that masturbation is a grave matter, and also teachesthat there are circumstances where it is not a mortal sin. Note: I did not say (and it does not say) “no sin at all”.

And it is entirely possible that the “liberal” priest has actually studied Moral Theology as it is currently taught. What a scary thought - that he might actually be following the mind of the Church.
 
Mimi said:
Okay – this thread is going to get back on track with the original theme –

I am disturbed at how many priests are liberal, and I DO mean politically so. I won’t name names here, but suffice it to say there are more than just a few here and there (there MUST be) who promote a kind of Liberation Theology. Rather than just reiterate my experience here, check out my other posts in the Social Justice forum.

ACORN-like “community faith-based organizations” are popping up all over the US. If you’re in CA, NM, NY, or WI (and other states), you will find many. Some are under the parent group the Gamaliel Foundation, others the Industrial Areas Foundation and others connected with Faith in Public Life.

PLEASE be aware that these groups have a leftist political ideology, though they won’t come right out and say it.

I’m sorry to say that too many dioceses have given money to these groups and have not done the background check on exactly what issues they support, and also where they get money from.

Please let me know (PM or email) if you check out the info on the other threads and if it was helpful to you!

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=376418

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=372854
Not sure if this thread is relevant:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=321751

Mimi
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You might do well to read some of the social encyclicals the
Church has produced over the last 123 years, starting with Rerum Novarum in 1891 by Leo 13th. I have no idea what the groups you seem to think are on the fringe (or past the fringe) assert; but I suspect you really do not have a solid understanding of how “liberal” the Church is in social policy.
 
youngsaint said:
i’ve been doing some research, in my Confirmation theology book, and it says this:
God created sex for 3 reasons,
  1. The possibility of creating new life
  2. The pleasure of both spouses
  3. To show the love between two spouses
    Anything less than this is a mortal sin.
Soooooo, lets see, masturbation =
  1. no possibility of new life
  2. Pleasure of one person
  3. No love required
So I’m forced to conclude its a mortal sin :o
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Try reading the CCC. The Church seems to think there are circumstances where it is a grave matter, but not a mortal sin. Pretty much, the CCC is going to trump your book.
 
Quere: which is a worse sin - masturbation or adultery?

In the Gospel of John, Christ confronts a group ready, willing and able to carry out a stoning of a woman caught in adultery.

In the Gospel story, there is never any question but that the woman had committed adultery.

After the group slinks off, Christ asks if there is anyone left to condemn her; upon hearing that all have left, He says that he will not condemn her either (although the Mosaic law appears to be crystal clear on the matter). His comment: “Go, and sin no more”.

So: was Christ a liberal? He did not identify to her that adultery was a mortal sin; instead He granted mercy.

Is it liberal to give mercy? Is it liberal, if in given circumstances the Church teaches that a grave matter may be a venial sin? Or is it an application of mercy, given with the understanding of the circumstances surrounding the sin?
 
When I was long ago a male teenager, I also struggled with this issue. The drive was so powerful I would say it convinced me I did not have a vocation for the priesthood or the brotherhood either, which I also considered—the teachers at my all male high school were Brothers of a religious order. I knew this normal compulsion was a thing I would not be able to endure for the rest of my life. It should be noted that this compulsion is in fact a normal biological instinct directly related to the survival of the species (procreation). It seems a natural law, and with that much the Church appears to agree. But it agrees no further.

I would go so far as to say there were those with similar inclinations to mine who erred when they later took vows to live a life of celibacy. I believe this lifestyle is for exceptionally spiritual individuals. We know what we know about things that have occurred among the modern priesthood. There is also the modern secular culture in which we live, and Catholic priests are also exposed daily to that culture. Living a life of celibacy is surely more difficult than ever. Priests are exposed to our secular culture even while saying Mass. If one is hungry, food is enticing. If one has consumed a large meal, images of food do not so easily get our attention. Both drives are normal ones. This truth is likely related to what seems an obsession with and judgment about a certain normal drive.

There are both conservative and liberal clergy throughout the hierarchy of the Church. The presence of both conservative and liberal views has been the case throughout history. In the Prologue of ‘God and the World’, then-Cardinal Ratzinger explains that the fullness of revelation—or the Absolute Truth—has not yet been fully revealed to us or even to the Church. Each generation, he said, receives a fuller revelation. This was said by the future Pope Benedict XVI, hardly a liberal in the views of many. It is, I think, the interactions and sometimes conflict between conservative and liberal thinking that is the dynamic that propels both revelation and the history of the Church. This must continue throughout history if we are to receive the full revelation. And that this is continuing right now seems beyond doubt.

There are difficulties. As a traditional Catholic, I do not understand, for example, that what was once viewed as a Sacramental Marriage could, in a latter but identical case, be judged an invalid marriage by a tribunal. But that is where the Church is at this time. What we do know is that the Gospels reveal that the right to judge was given by the Father to the Son. In the Gospels, Christ provides his teaching about marriage. And then there is this in Matthew 7.1: “Judge not, that you not be judged.”

There are many translations of Matthew 7.1, but they all are very clear. Perhaps neither we nor the Church has yet fully understood this most significant teaching. Also as an example, there is surely something wrong occurring within the marriage tribunals as they dare to judge the validity of a Sacrament. I think this is beyond doubt. And that there is this doubt has brought about one of the most significant concerns of Pope Francis. The issue remains on the agenda of the Synod. While I would say it is not for me to judge the tribunals, there is no wrong in seeking change and a fuller revelation and understanding.

If one’s conscience is troubling, seek Absolution. I think that is the best course of action.
 
Luckily I haven’t had this, erm, problem of a liberal priest coddling me in my sin. He put the fear of God in me, it was great lol.
 
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