Disturbed in Adoration

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I think it is very reasonable to politely share with her how distracting it was. Just think of all the other people after you that are too scared to speak up, and think how it offends Jesus. I would be nervous to speak up, but hopefully you are braver. šŸ™‚
 
My wife does that all the time…I call it purse music. While it can be a distraction it’s best to just offer it up and call on the Holy Spirit to calm your mind.
 
From what I read in the OP, it wasn’t the noise from her holding her rosary that was so distracting- it was the slamming of doors and the waving of her hands to get the attention of someone else in the chapel simply to ā€œsay helloā€. Neither of those things need to be done in adoration. We try to observe quiet in the libraries when it’s obvious people are studying…It’s not too much to expect that others would do the same in adoration. The clanking of the beads was probably the ā€œstraw the broke the camel’s backā€ for the OP who was trying with others in the chapel to observe the reverent atmosphere of being in the presence of Christ. A simple reminder from the parish priest in the bulletin or a small sign posted outside the chapel door reminding people to try and be quiet would probably go a long way in reminding those that adoration is a ā€œquiet placeā€ and to take care not to be chatty with others or slam doors.
Hmm, I sympathize Catholicmamajoy, because I have had these preferences during the high mass, and even when I visit other parishes out of town that I am not used to…
While this is just an outside judgment, given the details I still believe it’s an isolated incident relating to one’s comfort zone, because it wasn’t something the OP was used to…

In my Adoration Chapel, all those giving company to the Blessed Lord , are usually quiet throughout. Sometimes they’ll make some noises, not dissimilar to the OP’s example exiting and entering. Sometimes you will hear a woman silently praying under her breath – which is beautiful to me by the way. As for this lady entering the chapel and then waving? I’ve seen a lady leaving down the aisle, seeing an elderly woman saying ā€˜hi’ , go over and embrace her while she was kneeling. Again, to say Hello, isn’t so egregious either even if this woman the OP mentioned did it poorly in her brief greeting. The overall context seemed less to do with possible irreverence and more to do with one’s comfort zone.

When I visit in the afternoon. Outside the windows, at times I’ll hear men gabbing it up. One time a woman did not have her cell phone on silent, went to the back entrance answered and left. One would think they have heard it said by their priests, to silence their cell phones. But people with their free will, will not always do what you expect them to do. Even if others have told them already. I don’t think it’s our place to rashly dole out judgments because these things happen.
Especially at the foot of the cross, they were not exactly reverent conditions either for Mary, John and Mary Magadalene but they suffered through the commotions there and kept their eyes on the Lord. I think St. Paul’s advice, to bear those who are weaker in faith, than you applies in this case. It is not good to suddenly think in the pew,* "I thank you God that I am not like that woman, making all this noise, " * which could lead to spiritual vanity. I know this because I’ve been tempted to think I now know how to act during mass and almost look down on people, who may very well BE irreverent during the Mass. Especially when one time, some parents couldn’t keep their young kids in order. Luckily by that point I was aware not to fall trap to this thinking, so I was praying for the others in the pews not to think badly on the kids or the parents like I would have done in the past.

If it’s a persistent thing on part of the individual slamming kneelers etc. That could be addressed by seeking a pastor to put a notice when entering pews or something. The rest I don’t think are glaring offenses.
Maybe the woman is new to adoration. I’m sure the Lord will give her the grace to being more sober.
 
Great suggestion about St Teresa of Avila and St John of the Cross!

From what I read in the OP though, it wasn’t the noise from her holding her rosary that was so distracting- it was the slamming of doors and the waving of her hands to get the attention of someone else in the chapel simply to ā€œsay helloā€. Neither of those things need to be done in adoration. We try to observe quiet in the libraries when it’s obvious people are studying…It’s not too much to expect that others would do the same in adoration. The clanking of the beads was probably the ā€œstraw the broke the camel’s backā€ for the OP who was trying with others in the chapel to observe the reverent atmosphere of being in the presence of Christ. Just as some people cannot compose a college essay with external distractions in place, some people cannot go deep into prayer with slamming doors and attempts to socialize going on. A simple note from the parish priest in the bulletin, a few sentences during the announcements after Mass, or a small sign posted outside the chapel door reminding people to try and be quiet would probably go a long way in reminding those that adoration is a ā€œquiet placeā€ and to take care not to be chatty with others or slam doors.
I think you somehow managed to discern what was at the heart of my, perhaps, poorly composed post. Noise from ā€œnormalā€ rustling, handling rosary beads, etc… is to be expected and not something I would bring up in this context. Slamming doors, making bold gestures to get the attention of someone several pews away just to say ā€œhi,ā€ and repeatedly zipping and unzipping a purse, rattling papers, etc… is not something I would expect in the adoration chapel. Why not just leave your purse unzipped if you continually need access to it? It just seemed a bit over the top.

In addition to having ADHD, I’m also a former naval officer and have a tendency (need?) to observe/enforce ā€œthe rulesā€ in most any situation. My ā€œmilitary mindā€ is rarely disengaged.

That said, I do agree with what many others have shared in response to my OP. I didn’t know her heart or her intentions. Saying anything directly to her (in the moment or afterwards) however charitable* my* intentions might have been, could have had the opposite effect.

Thankfully, I did simply pray for her and made every effort to keep my focus where it rightfully should have been.
 
I agree with the above posters, on reading my previous post I may have suggested approaching her, but really only if the behavior continues despite quiet signs and the such.

But on second thought, that may not have any positive result as she may feel embarrassed. Just keep praying and bring the issue to the pastor’s attention if the situation gets out of hand.

It’s funny I guessed it may be an ADHD thing, which it might. I have not been diagnosed but have always felt that I suffer from that to some extent.

I pray you are blessed from spending time with our Lord!

Thank You!
We know our own.
 
Hmm, I sympathize Catholicmamajoy, because I have had these preferences during the high mass, and even when I visit other parishes out of town that I am not used to…
While this is just an outside judgment, given the details I still believe it’s an isolated incident relating to one’s comfort zone, because it wasn’t something the OP was used to…

In my Adoration Chapel, all those giving company to the Blessed Lord , are usually quiet throughout. Sometimes they’ll make some noises, not dissimilar to the OP’s example exiting and entering. Sometimes you will hear a woman silently praying under her breath – which is beautiful to me by the way. As for this lady entering the chapel and then waving? I’ve seen a lady leaving down the aisle, seeing an elderly woman saying ā€˜hi’ , go over and embrace her while she was kneeling. Again, to say Hello, isn’t so egregious either even if this woman the OP mentioned did it poorly in her brief greeting. The overall context seemed less to do with possible irreverence and more to do with one’s comfort zone.

When I visit in the afternoon. Outside the windows, at times I’ll hear men gabbing it up. One time a woman did not have her cell phone on silent, went to the back entrance answered and left. One would think they have heard it said by their priests, to silence their cell phones. But people with their free will, will not always do what you expect them to do. Even if others have told them already. I don’t think it’s our place to rashly dole out judgments because these things happen.
Especially at the foot of the cross, they were not exactly reverent conditions either for Mary, John and Mary Magadalene but they suffered through the commotions there and kept their eyes on the Lord. I think St. Paul’s advice, to bear those who are weaker in faith, than you applies in this case. It is not good to suddenly think in the pew,* "I thank you God that I am not like that woman, making all this noise, " * which could lead to spiritual vanity. I know this because I’ve been tempted to think I now know how to act during mass and almost look down on people, who may very well BE irreverent during the Mass. Especially when one time, some parents couldn’t keep their young kids in order. Luckily by that point I was aware not to fall trap to this thinking, so I was praying for the others in the pews not to think badly on the kids or the parents like I would have done in the past.

If it’s a persistent thing on part of the individual slamming kneelers etc. That could be addressed by seeking a pastor to put a notice when entering pews or something. The rest I don’t think are glaring offenses.
Maybe the woman is new to adoration. I’m sure the Lord will give her the grace to being more sober.
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I think you somehow managed to discern what was at the heart of my, perhaps, poorly composed post. Noise from ā€œnormalā€ rustling, handling rosary beads, etc… is to be expected and not something I would bring up in this context. Slamming doors, making bold gestures to get the attention of someone several pews away just to say ā€œhi,ā€ and repeatedly zipping and unzipping a purse, rattling papers, etc… is not something I would expect in the adoration chapel. Why not just leave your purse unzipped if you continually need access to it? It just seemed a bit over the top.

In addition to having ADHD, I’m also a former naval officer and have a tendency (need?) to observe/enforce ā€œthe rulesā€ in most any situation. My ā€œmilitary mindā€ is rarely disengaged.

That said, I do agree with what many others have shared in response to my OP. I didn’t know her heart or her intentions. Saying anything directly to her (in the moment or afterwards) however charitable* my* intentions might have been, could have had the opposite effect.

Thankfully, I did simply pray for her and made every effort to keep my focus where it rightfully should have been.
I just sent you a PM…I completely and totally understand the ADD/ADHD issue and how it affects concentration. Adoration or being up at 1:00am when the rest of my family is asleep is often the only way I can truly concentrate on prayer.
 
ā€œForgive them Father, for they not know, what they do.ā€

It is a gift to show charity. Offer your impatience to the Lord. He chooses the time and place to grant prayers or teach lessons. Consider yourself blessed to even have a Chapel for adoration. I may be sound crazy but I thought every Church had an adoration Chapel. Yeah, maybe I should get out more. God bless,
 
Was she elderly? She may be hard of hearing and not realize she is being loud. A kind word may let her know she is being loud.
 
A bland glance at the person usually works for me. They get the message.
 
Just a word for those of us who tend to make the noise…

One of the reasons I don’t go to the adoration chapel (other than ā€œI can’t remember the secret password for the number lock, not for the life of meā€) but instead only adore in church all by myself, is that I honestly cannot move silently in that tiny adoration room whenever anybody else is there. I can’t kneel down without the kneeler creaking. I can’t let go of the door without it slamming, even if I were sure it was already closed before I let go of the knob. My purse makes noises. Stuff in my bag makes noises. My stomach makes noises. My silent rosary rattles all over. And the more this happens, the more nervous I get and the less I can control my own movements. I tend to do the wrong thing automatically, even while telling myself before and during not to do it.

I get glared at, or I can just feel other people being patient. I usually give up, go outside, and maybe cry, and then adore from through the wall. (And then I go back to only adoring in church, when the church is open and nobody else is there.)

At all other times, I am very quiet and can easily sneak up on people.

So no, it wasn’t me, but I identify strongly with the awkwardness of it all.
 
You are blessed you even get to go…
You still have the ability to adore him at the Mass on SUNDAY! šŸ™‚
When I didn’t have the convenience of frequenting the Chapel in my town, that has perpetual adoration, and was drawn closer to understanding how great a gift the Lord gave us in the Blessed Sacrament. I started to stay longer after Mass, as well as when I had opportunity to show up for daily Mass.
I used to be lukewarm, just a couple years ago, 2007-2008ish, lapsed even during college.
To stay genuflecting even after the Mass had ended would have been a foreign concept to me just five years ago growing up in my parishes.
Given how by habit, most people are rushing out to get out of the parking lot before the Priest even offers his blessing after Communion.
One priest joked as he is leaving the procession, he runs into people fighting to get through the exit doors before he can even go to the Vestibule where he is supposed to be first to greet people. :rotfl:

I pray for your local parishes to open up Adoration as well as across America, and the whole world!
Reverence needs to return for the Blessed Sacrament.
Just a word for those of us who tend to make the noise…

One of the reasons I don’t go to the adoration chapel (other than ā€œI can’t remember the secret password for the number lock, not for the life of meā€) but instead only adore in church all by myself, is that I honestly cannot move silently in that tiny adoration room whenever anybody else is there. I can’t kneel down without the kneeler creaking. I can’t let go of the door without it slamming, even if I were sure it was already closed before I let go of the knob. My purse makes noises. Stuff in my bag makes noises. My stomach makes noises. My silent rosary rattles all over. And the more this happens, the more nervous I get and the less I can control my own movements. I tend to do the wrong thing automatically, even while telling myself before and during not to do it.

I get glared at, or I can just feel other people being patient. I usually give up, go outside, and maybe cry, and then adore from through the wall. (And then I go back to only adoring in church, when the church is open and nobody else is there.)

At all other times, I am very quiet and can easily sneak up on people.

So no, it wasn’t me, but I identify strongly with the awkwardness of it all.
Mintaka,

šŸ™‚ I 'll say a little prayer for you as well as those parishioners who think they are admonishing people when they really aren’t. Seems that is not being too merciful.

Do not weep, as I don’t think the Lord is judging you for the inadvertent noise you are making. Nor would he be unmerciful to those who may be a little noisy by habit, without meaning to be disrespectful.
Those truly revering the Lord there, will be merciful and forgive and forget. Granted , they should realize there is NOTHING to forgive if it is hard for you to not make noise with your keys. Don’t be deterred to go to Adoration if you can remember the passcode. In the past I used to feel deterred, because I start getting self-conscious, second-guessing observing the Sacraments in front people, even at Mass showing any signs of extended piety. I’m more inclined to be comfortable, rather than put myself in awkward social situations and feeling I am on the spot. Even Confession "well, there is a long line , maybe I just will come back next week because I don’t want to wait, only to not even make it to the the confessional, while the Mass-goers are arriving’ so I have thoughts the same as you at times*, it’s easier for me to go when I am just by myself *

Just remember, that the Lord supersedes those who think you are unworthily attending. How can providing company for the Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, with a pure heart be judge worthy?
We also have a leg up on , Peter, John & James, as surely I think the only thing that would offend the Lord during Adoration Hours of the Eucharist is if we fell asleep in the pew negligently!
 
Just a word for those of us who tend to make the noise…

One of the reasons I don’t go to the adoration chapel (other than ā€œI can’t remember the secret password for the number lock, not for the life of meā€) but instead only adore in church all by myself, is that I honestly cannot move silently in that tiny adoration room whenever anybody else is there. I can’t kneel down without the kneeler creaking. I can’t let go of the door without it slamming, even if I were sure it was already closed before I let go of the knob. My purse makes noises. Stuff in my bag makes noises. My stomach makes noises. My silent rosary rattles all over. And the more this happens, the more nervous I get and the less I can control my own movements. I tend to do the wrong thing automatically, even while telling myself before and during not to do it.
I think everyone makes noise. It is just that some people don’t realize it. And I am betting she didn’t make noise purposefully, it just happened.

I am not getting that the woman zipped and unzipped her purse repeatedly. From what the OP described, it sounds like she forgot her ā€œpray forā€ list. I do that. I get out my rosary, then I realize that my list of those I have said I would pray for is still in my purse. I then have to go back into my purse for my list. And yes, I also keep my purse zipped, it cuts down on the chance of someone reaching in and taking my wallet.

Did she slam the door or let it go, not realizing that it would slam?
 
Oh, I didn’t want to give that impression. I’m just a naturally weepy person. Car and phone commercials can make me tear up. My feelings weren’t hurt by the folks at adoration and I didn’t feel guilty – just frustrated. (Yet another thing that can make me cry.)
 
Oh, I didn’t want to give that impression. I’m just a naturally weepy person. Car and phone commercials can make me tear up. My feelings weren’t hurt by the folks at adoration and I didn’t feel guilty – just frustrated. (Yet another thing that can make me cry.)
Oh Okay, I misread that it was connected. Still I understand your general frustrations and not be deterred.

You know, as a dude, I am a bit of a weepy person too :eek:… unfortunately, this carries over with even as you said, entertainment mediums.
 
Tourists got so bad at my parish we actually have volunteer ushers that are in the church and inform people when they are being to disruptive.
 
After reading a few more responses, I would say nothing to the noise makers unless they are really talking loud and/or being very disruptive to others. I would mention it later to the parish office or maybe the priest later. Hopefully signs outside can be put up remind others to be mindful of the noise and talking.

I know some cannot help themselves due to age or issues with their health regarding noises but I am glad that they were able to come to adore Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament no matter if they did so for a few minutes or an hour.
 
I feel for you, Pax. I’m very sensitive to noise anyway, and when I’m at E.A. and things like that happen, it’s very disturbing. One of the chapels I often visit is a very large church with a nice spacious chapel, but there are often many goings on outside where there are crowds talking, etc. There’s often a funeral and the area between the church and chapel is sometimes a social area.

What I do is never go to E.A. without my iPod/earphones. I have plenty of presence of God enhancing music to keep my mind on the Lord and avoid disturbance.

Ideally, of course, chapel visits ought to be quiet so we can adore our Lord in silent reverence. While this also happens at times even at the aforementioned chapel, I find music unto the Lord as a good alternative when it’s not quiet.

Blessings,

E.A. fan
 
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