Disturbing News on TLM

[MrS]

Again, where in the Magestrium, are you granted authority to determine what is “correct preparation” to attend a TLM?

Your opinion is one thing. To blatantly declare someone to be WRONG is all together different.

In my opinion, your opinion to declare stmaria wrong is your opinion and your opinion is wrong.

 

[Brother_John]

In my opinion, your opinion to declare stmaria wrong is your opinion and your opinion is wrong.

whatever As if this kind of post is going to bring others to the TLM ?

To say “I disagree”, or “I believe”, or “I think”, is very different than to declare that “You are wrong”.

I doubt that anyone can find official Church teaching that states how one is to prepare to specifically attend a TLM.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

That’s true. Someone could make an eloquent argument why Holden, having nearly a week to prepare, should do as much reading as possible before attending his first TLM. But, to just say, “You’re wrong! You should read stuff, first” is just silly.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

No, Elish Maura that is the wrong answer, holdencaufield should do as Dustins’s Dad suggested and read this before going.
Order of the Mass fisheaters.com/TLMinstructions.html

I am not wrong.

Dustin’s Dad simply has a different suggestion.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

I don’t recall reading your posts that either you or Eilish Maura have ever been to a Traditional Mass so you wouldn’t know the best way to prepare for the TLM. The correct answer is to study up on the Traditional Mass because is is so very different from the Novus Ordo

Study can come afterward - if the poster is simply curious and has an opportunity to go to a TLM.

 

[bkovacs]

That’s great! Allentown is a stone’s throw from Quakertown. I hope it’s at a good time for your schedule.

For what it’s worth, I know Father Riegler. He is one of the holiest people I’ve ever met, has spoken to me personally about the sin involved in contraception and other matters (and I’ve heard it from his pulpit), and is the human most responsible for drawing me to the RCC. He can seem prickly at times, but I assure you, he is not an unorthodox, new age priest. You could do a lot worse.

St. Isidore’s has been my mother’s parish for years. She is very conservative and traditional herself. The only thing she dislikes about the parish is the “yeehah” youth mass held once a month on the saturday vigil. Since she usually goes to the vigil mass, on that saturday, she will go to the shrine in Doylestown.

I’ll let her know about the TLM in Allentown, she will probably be very interested.

Glad to hear that about Fr. Riegler. But I find it very sad that this holy priest would allow “yeehah” youth masses and spanish masses, but not give a single thought to having a TLM Mass, with Gregorian chant.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

Glad to hear that about Fr. Riegler. But I find it very sad that this holy priest would allow “yeehah” youth masses and spanish masses, but not give a single thought to having a TLM Mass, with Gregorian chant.

Can I ask why you put Spanish masses in with “yeehah” youth masses? Do you find them equally offensive? I can see why someone might be offended by “yeehah” but… Spanish? Please clarify.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

And, bkovacs, while I’m at it… there’s something I’ve been wondering ever since you started this thread:

Do you ever pause to thank any of these priests for their work? Does it ever occur to you that they’ve given their lives over to the Church? That they’ve made themselves available, 24-7, 365 days a year, so that you can be baptised, confirmed, absolved of your sins, receive the Body and Blood of Christ, married, and annointed at your dying moment, even if that’s at 2 am?!

You’re pitching a hissy because some priest you don’t even know won’t rearrange the schedule of his entire parish - a community of people I would assume he knows better than you do - because some rude person presumes to write him an email and demand a TLM?

Can you even see the problem, here?

 

[holdencaulfield]

Thanks everyone.

 

[NoxSineStellae]

Glad to hear that about Fr. Riegler. But I find it very sad that this holy priest would allow “yeehah” youth masses and spanish masses, but not give a single thought to having a TLM Mass, with Gregorian chant.

The youth masses are put on by the associate pastor, Father Khoa. He is much younger, very involved with the youth, and likes that sort of thing.

I have a few personal issues with Father Khoa, but he is also a good and holy priest.

Seriously, Riegler is a VERY VERY good man. And he does the best he can at being a priest. I’ve never heard him give council contrary to Rome, and he does like the “old school” way. He’s very educated and intellectual (but not in a liberal way). Give him a chance. He sometimes feels bombarded with people wanting things “their” way. But in a thoughtful, polite conversation, when he knows you, he is always open to new (and old) ideas.

And he does spend a great deal of time talking to parishoners.

 

[bkovacs]

And, bkovacs, while I’m at it… there’s something I’ve been wondering ever since you started this thread:

Do you ever pause to thank any of these priests for their work? Does it ever occur to you that they’ve given their lives over to the Church? That they’ve made themselves available, 24-7, 365 days a year, so that you can be baptised, confirmed, absolved of your sins, receive the Body and Blood of Christ, married, and annointed at your dying moment, even if that’s at 2 am?!

You’re pitching a hissy because some priest you don’t even know won’t rearrange the schedule of his entire parish - a community of people I would assume he knows better than you do - because some rude person presumes to write him an email and demand a TLM?

Can you even see the problem, here?

I guess your right!. Tradition is dead in the modern day Roman Catholic Church. It’s a thing of the past. There is no time for it. The Roman Catholic Church I had hoped for died when Vatican 2 began. The Catholic Church after Vatican 2 is not the same Catholic Church that gave us all those great traditions. Two completely different Churches, under the same title. Maybe it’s best if we now end this post and lay the topic to rest. When I die I don’t want a modern day Catholic priest giving me last rights. Because to me the Holy Roman Catholic Church of antiquity no longer exists. Let’s now end this post!!.

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

I guess your right!. Tradition is dead in the modern day Roman Catholic Church. It’s a thing of the past. There is no time for it. The Roman Catholic Church I had hoped for died when Vatican 2 began. The Catholic Church after Vatican 2 is not the same Catholic Church that gave us all those great traditions. Two completely different Churches, under the same title. Maybe it’s best if we now end this post and lay the topic to rest. When I die I don’t want a modern day Catholic priest giving me last rights. Because to me the Holy Roman Catholic Church of antiquity no longer exists. Let’s now end this post!!.

Sorry, dude… there’s a reason there’s a time limit on editing posts. Once you put it out there, it’s up for discussion.

If you think that the sacraments of a “modern day Catholic priest” aren’t efficacious, I’d say you got problems that can’t be addressed by any one parish priest acquiescing to your demand for an EF Mass.

What you just said is heresy and you’re in schism.

 

[MrS]

poster sarcasm has struck again

 

[bkovacs]

Sorry, dude… there’s a reason there’s a time limit on editing posts. Once you put it out there, it’s up for discussion.

If you think that the sacraments of a “modern day Catholic priest” aren’t efficacious, I’d say you got problems that can’t be addressed by any one parish priest acquiescing to your demand for an EF Mass.

What you just said is heresy and you’re in schism.

No all of these Catholic Priests, who give no regard to tradition and the words of Pope Pius V and Quo Primum and Pope Benedict XVI are in “Schism”.

“Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present document cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years’ standing.” Pope Pius V

The New Mass (Novus Ordo) is not two hundred years standing!.
They alter the New Mass how ever they please. The damage has already been done. All I ask for is reverence to be brought back to the Holy Mass. That the traditions be used. Like Gregorian Chant, priest facing east again, etc. Is this what being a schismatic is. I guess this is what the Holy Orthodox Church fears with any talk of reunion. Loosing their traditions. Traditions which have no meaning to modern day RC clergy. How can their be union!.

If Pope Pius V were alive today, what would he think of the New Mass, in its present form?. Yeehah music!!!, and laity surrounding the altar, and cell phones going off during the Mass, should I continue.

Bring back the reverence and beauty, which is worthy to God. That’s all I ask!.

 

[bkovacs]

The youth masses are put on by the associate pastor, Father Khoa. He is much younger, very involved with the youth, and likes that sort of thing.

I have a few personal issues with Father Khoa, but he is also a good and holy priest.

Seriously, Riegler is a VERY VERY good man. And he does the best he can at being a priest. I’ve never heard him give council contrary to Rome, and he does like the “old school” way. He’s very educated and intellectual (but not in a liberal way). Give him a chance. He sometimes feels bombarded with people wanting things “their” way. But in a thoughtful, polite conversation, when he knows you, he is always open to new (and old) ideas.

And he does spend a great deal of time talking to parishoners.

In the eastern churches there is no such thing as “Youth” Masses. Is this another form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Do we have clowns at these Masses. Are these Masses reverent, do the youth hear Gregorian Chant, or foot stompin music.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Sorry, dude… there’s a reason there’s a time limit on editing posts. Once you put it out there, it’s up for discussion.

If you think that the sacraments of a “modern day Catholic priest” aren’t efficacious, I’d say you got problems that can’t be addressed by any one parish priest acquiescing to your demand for an EF Mass.

What you just said is heresy and you’re in schism.

I believe that it is the heresy of Donatism that somehow Sacraments can only be given by priests in a state of grace. Since all priests are sinful that would indeed be impossible. His problem is that he no longer follows the Bishop of Rome. Here is why he should stop doing what he is doing:

• Since Vatican II no doctrines or dogmas have changed, he is just under the impression they have
• The Church still has Masses in both NO and TLM, even if you prefer the TLM and can’t find one, the Church still teaches with the Tradition that it has since 33 AD
• There is not a “old” and “new” Catholic Church, there is only one.
• There is not a “new” Mass or an “old” one, Pope Benedict XVI has made this clear.
• If you prefer Eastern Orthodoxy, fine however that Church has been dead since 1054

 

[holdencaulfield]

The New Mass (Novus Ordo) is not two hundred years standing!. They alter the New Mass how ever they please. The damage has already been done. All I ask for is reverence to be brought back to the Holy Mass. That the traditions be used. Like Gregorian Chant, priest facing east again, etc. Is this what being a schismatic is. I guess this is what the Holy Orthodox Church fears with any talk of reunion. Loosing their traditions. Traditions which have no meaning to modern day RC clergy. How can their be union!.

I think you have a problem with your priest not the Church. From your other posts I can understand why you are irritated. However that is no reason to leave the Church. I can see that you dislike your former parish because you have a liberal cowboy priest who makes Mass irreverent. However this doesn’t mean anything about the Church. Look at the ancient Churches and the heresies that almost destroyed it. The Church survived and will continue to.

If Pope Pius V were alive today, what would he think of the New Mass, in its present form?. Yeehah music!!!, and laity surrounding the altar, and cell phones going off during the Mass, should I continue.

Bring back the reverence and beauty, which is worthy to God. That’s all I ask!.

It is still there.

 

[holdencaulfield]

In the eastern churches there is no such thing as “Youth” Masses. Is this another form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Do we have clowns at these Masses. Are these Masses reverent, do the youth hear Gregorian Chant, or foot stompin music.

Hey, I don’t agree with “youth” Masses either but I’m not in schism.

 

[bkovacs]

When was the last time a RC parish has had Saturday Night public Vespers (Evening Song), with chant?. At the local Orthodox Church I attend now, their is Vespers every Saturday Night, with the beautiful byzantine chant, incense, candles, etc. And on Sunday there is Matins (Morning prayer), before the Divine Liturgy. Last time I seen Vespers in a western setting was at an Anglican church.

 

[Brother_John]

When was the last time a RC parish has had Saturday Night public Vespers (Evening Song), with chant?. At the local Orthodox Church I attend now, their is Vespers every Saturday Night, with the beautiful byzantine chant, incense, candles, etc. And on Sunday there is Matins (Morning prayer), before the Divine Liturgy. Last time I seen Vespers in a western setting was at an Anglican church.

So, I gather that you are happy in the church you now attend? The offer the things you crave the most? Yes?

Then why are you so intent on changing how other churches are doing things?