I didn’t say that. But be careful in some of the books that you’re reading. They often try to twist history and say “this is what really happened” just to earn $$$$$$. One day it might say, “John Smith appeared and is here in Salt Lake City!”
not John… Buy the books!
An offshoot? When one compares the beliefs of the different sects that came forth from the restored church in 1830, you will discover that the LDS church in Utah is doctrinally an offshoot of that restored church. Just because the LDS church boasts over 10 million members, it does not mean that it is the continuation of the church restored in 1830. Size does not determine what church is the original.
Who said that he was around since the beginning? He was born in 1805. But all of us were created spiritually first at the beginning of this world we live in. We have all been around since God created us in the beginning, even though we have not all been on Earth physically since the beginning.I didnt know Joe Smith was around since the beginning of time…
The first reference to the Catholic Church being called the Catholic Church is in the year 107AD, by Ignatious of Antioch I believe. It was the only church that was around at that time.
Your church was established by Joseph Smith in the 19th century. My favorite quote from the book of Mormon is where they predict that Jesus would be born in Jerusalem.
If the only church in existence at that time was the church in Antioch, what happened to all the different churches that Paul corresponded with through his epistles? Why are there 7 churches mentioned in Revelation? What leads you to believe that this Catholic church was the only one in existence in 107 AD???
Nah! In 1830, Joseph Smith was the man whom Jesus restored His church through. In 1830, the church was restored as the “Church of Christ”. It did not pick up the “Latter Day Saint” part until years later. The Church of Jesus Christ has been around since Jesus established it upon the Earth in the time of Adam and Eve.
I see that you have misread that verse. It does not say that Jesus will be born in the city of Jerusalem, but rather, at the Land of Jerusalem. Big difference! I have covered this argument in a prior thread.
“Catholic” means universal – those 7 churches are geographical churches, much like dioceses, they were obviously united in doctrine and submitted to Peter’s authority and his successors’s
The church in Corinth was the same church that was in Antioch. They were all the same church, they were like diocese.
This staement is true but it has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. They do not forbid anyone to eat meat or to not marry. We just ask preists that they will stay celibate and unmarried so they can devote there entire lives to Christ. If you look have read the bible you have probably read this.
It does not say the land of Jerusalem. It says Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers.
You say that the Catholic church does not forbid to marry, yet priests take a vow to be celibate. Do you want to claim that Catholic priests and bishops are free to marry and have a wife and kids? If this was true, there would not be a push to have married priests ordained to solve the priest shortage. When the Catholic church compels potential priests to vow that they will be celibate, that is indeed an example of “forbidding marriage”. That verse I quoted did not say that the church would forbid **all **people from getting married. All the church has to do is forbid a certain group of members from marrying and the church then fulfills the verse I quoted. Also, aren’t Catholics told that they must abstain from meat on Fridays during Lent? This is what I understand to be true. If the Catholic church declares that its members must not eat meat on Fridays during Lent, this too would fulfill the verse I quoted. As for the rest, it would be hard to show them, because how do you show that people’s consciences have been seared with hot irons? When one looks at the persecution that the Catholic church has imposed upon those who it deemed heretical, that church was obviously not following the dictates of the Holy Spirit at those times. I still want to know why the Catholic church felt justisfied to persecute or eliminate all those who did not share the same doctrines and beliefs that the Catholic church espoused?
Paul is just giving his opinion of how much he enjoys being unmarried. That verse is hardly enough to form a doctrine around or to force men to vow to remain unmarried if they want to enter the Catholic priesthood.
And the difference is what? In that verse, it is clear what was meant by Jerusalem. According to the Book of Mormon, the Nephites knew Jerusalem to be the name of a land, or region, in the part of the world that their ancestors had come from. It does not matter if Jerusalem is just the name of a city today. The Nephites knew Jerusalem as a region, the land where their forefathers had come from. You say that the city of Jerusalem is not part of the land of Jerusalem. Where is this land of Jerusalem located then?
He says nothing about how much he enjoys being unmarried. He is saying that it is better to be unmarried. You can not be married and still be completely devoted to God. You have to worry about your family. As a preist everything you do should be for God.
Jerusalem is a leand and Bethlahem is a separate land. It would be like saying I was born in Germany the land of Hitler. Germany is not where I was born so it is a false statement.
Andrew Larkoski said:
Does anyone know where I can find good historical proof of this? I believe it was the first, but I have confrontations before that people say we were divided from the beginning, hence, the Orthodox churches. They say the apostles taught different things to different churches started. A common argument I’ve had is that the Catholic church followed Peter and accepted him as Pope, and then The Orthodox church followed Paul and did not accept the Pope. Every time this comes up, I have a hard time thinking of a good way to back myself up with references.
It’s the only Church there was when the verses were written. Anyone can ask the Holy Spirit to guide them and whoever does will be led directly to the Catholic Church. Try it. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in Truth to the Church which Jesus Christ established.
No one said it was the Church at Antioch. The only Church at the time was the Catholic Church.