Divine mercy chaplet inquiry

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The way I understand it, if someone dies and you say the divine mercy chaplet Jesus has promised he will allow them to enter in. Now if you say that for yourself too would that guarantee entry? Or are we the faithful required to enter in only by forgiveness via absolution. Now I am not saying not to go to absolution when one sins, but if something happened before you got a chance to confess would the divine mercy chaplet take care of you?

Also what about if you are meaning to go to absolution and something happens to you before hand. Then what?
 
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A person goes to Heaven by accepting the gift of God’s sanctifying grace through the use of their free will.

The Chaplet of Divine Mercy is an intercessory prayer: we are never praying only for ourselves but “for the whole world”. It can be prayed at any time a person is invoking God’s infinite mercy.

Forgiveness of sins occurs at the exact instant a person is perfectly contrite for their sins with the resolution to go to Confession as soon as possible.
 
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The way I understand it, if someone dies and you say the divine mercy chaplet Jesus has promised he will allow them to enter in.
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This is not in keeping with the Deposit of Faith.

Each person either accepts or rejects Christ in this life, after that the judgement.
 
I have with me a Divine Mercy booklet in which Fr. George W. Kosicki arranged and introduced the passages from the Diary of St. Faustina. Fr. Kosicki is one of the best known authors and speakers on Divine Mercy.

You’re right in your first statement. If you say the chaplet for yourself too, that would guarantee your entry to heaven, because Jesus clearly said to St. Faustina:

"At the hour of their death, I defend as My own glory every soul that will say this chaplet, or when others say it for a dying person, the indulgence is the same. When this chaplet is said by the bedside of a dying person, God’s anger is placated, and unfathomable mercy envelops the soul, and the very depths of His tender mercy will be moved for the sake of the sorrowful passion of His Son. "

Jesus further said: "the souls that will say this chaplet will be embraced by My mercy during their lifetime and ESPECIALLY at the hour of their death. "

Considering what Jesus said, we can confidently say that if something happened to us before we got a chance to confess to the priest, the chaplet will take care of us. This is all the more true if we’re actually planning to confess and something happened to us.

However, there’s a requirement. Jesus said that “if a soul does not exercise mercy somehow or other, it will NOT obtain My mercy on the day of judgment.” Therefore, we are not only to receive the mercy of God, but to use it by being merciful to others. We are to practice the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy out of love for Jesus. Jesus said that “spiritual mercy is much more meritorious and is within the grasp of every soul.”

Jesus desires that the first Sunday after Easter be the Feast of Mercy. He said that the souls that will go to confession and receive Holy Communion on this day shall obtain complete forgiveness of sins and punishment. This happens only once a year so I don’t see any reason why one can’t go to confession at this time.

Jesus said to St. Faustina: “Encourage souls to say the chaplet which I have given to you. It pleases Me to grant everything they ask of Me by saying the chaplet, if what they ask for will be compatible with My will.”

Indeed, through this chaplet, my countless prayers were answered. Please pray the chaplet daily. You will be immensely blessed.
 
billcu1 said:
The way I understand it, if someone dies and you say the divine mercy chaplet Jesus has promised he will allow them to enter in. Now if you say that for yourself too would that guarantee entry?
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It’s important to understand that we trust in God’s mercy that he would save the deceased person. “Trust in God’s mercy” is a slightly different concept from a “guaranteed entry” into Heaven.
 
Billcu1, let me just clarify something. Your first statement talks about praying for the dead. The chaplet’s saving power applies when it’s prayed for the DYING, those in the throes of death, and not when the person has already died.
 
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Billcu1, let me just clarify something. Your first statement talks about praying for the dead. The chaplet’s saving power applies when it’s prayed for the DYING, those in the throes of death, and not when the person has already died.
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Come on, do you honestly think that God is going to say, “Nope, sorry, person already died, prayer too late, no good”?

You can say the Divine Mercy for people who have already died. Time and space mean nothing to God. He could choose to just apply the prayer at the time the deceased person passed away, or He could apply it to their soul sitting in purgatory, or whatever He feels like doing.

While the Divine Mercy is a powerful prayer to convey grace to the dying, it is not some magic charm that you have to say it right during the hours or days when a person is dying for it to be “effective”. For that matter you could probably also say a variety of prayers for a dying person, including the USCCB prayers for the dying or just a Rosary or Hail Mary or a free form sincere prayer asking that God please save the person and take them to Heaven, and God would accept all of these prayers. Or if somebody died you could say it for them after death too, as I noted above.

Here is a source discussing these misconceptions about the proper time to say the Divine Mercy:


My personal preference is to say the Divine Mercy for a person who is living and say the Rosary for someone who has died, but that’s my preference. It’s not because God doesn’t accept the prayer otherwise. The only restriction on prayer for living vs. dying is that under Church rules, you cannot earn indulgences for someone else who is living, so if I’m not sure if someone is alive or dead I don’t try to get an indulgence for them. I can still say a Rosary or Divine Mercy or any other prayer I like for them with no indulgence being applied.
 
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Well, He did not say He would just, you know, let them in. I think what He said is that He would fight for that person in extraordinary ways. He also said that He would deal with them as a Merciful savior as opposed to a just judge. That being said, the person, to my understanding anyway, still has the opportunity to reject His grace. He’ll try very hard, but ultimately it’s up to the soul to cooperate. That being said, guys, do you all think maybe some purgatory time might come into play afterwards? I know it’s such a silly thought and that it shouldn’t matter, but I think that, though I know the Lord’s mercy is infinite and could just, you know, get anyone into heaven straight off the bat, I do think that Purgatory is an incredibly merciful option ( especially if one were on the brink of losing one’s soul you know?). Am I wrong? I am actually asking because I like to learn so if I’m wrong please correct me =) ! Also, He made tons of promises to Saint Faustina for those who recite the chaplet themselves =) They are very similar to the promises attached to the chaplet for those for whom it is recited for before death.
 
I really like what you said about being able to pray the chaplet for someone who already passed. You see, I have always heard that since God is in eternity and not bound by time or space, He is more than capable of applying future prayers to a person who may have already died. Now, I’m not saying that it changes their fate or anything. I’m not saying that if you pray for someone who, God forbid, lost their soul you’ll bring the out of hell and into heaven. What I’m saying is that your prayers, your future prayers, may have been crucial for their conversion at the moment of death, or if they’re in purgatory they may help them out then too. They may even be applied to other souls as well. We could even pray it for someone’s future death. For example, I could pray it for all of us. I could say to Our Lord " I offer you this Chaplet for the moment of my death and of the death of the people on the chat today" and I know He’ll be able to use it then. I know that my understanding is very poor, so if I am wrong, please correct me, but I did like that you mentioned that! Let’s all pray for each other =)!
 
thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. Yes, of course you can still pray the Divine Mercy chaplet for the dead. It’s helpful for the quick release of souls from purgatory. I just want to emphasize that the chaplet is extra-powerful when you say it while the person is dying, as Jesus said: "when they say this prayer in the presence of the dying, I will stand between my Father and the dying person, not as a just Judge but as a merciful Savior. " There is a sense of immediacy here when the person is in the throes of death, and when someone is praying for him. As Jesus said: “the grace of eternal salvation for certain souls in their final moment DEPENDS on your prayer.”
 
MercyWarrior88 said:
I just want to emphasize that the chaplet is extra-powerful when you say it while the person is dying, as Jesus said: "when they say this prayer in the presence of the dying, I will stand between my Father and the dying person, not as a just Judge but as a merciful Savior. " There is a sense of immediacy here when the person is in the throes of death, and when someone is praying for him. As Jesus said: “the grace of eternal salvation for certain souls in their final moment DEPENDS on your prayer.”
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Yes, I have no doubt that salvation depends on prayer, and that it is good to pray when someone is dying. St. Faustina had a gift that she could tell if somebody was dying two buildings away or half a continent away.

Most of us are not St. Faustina. We may not hear that our loved one suddenly died in an accident until the day after it happened. I have had a friend die by drowning and since they could not find his body for a month we didn’t know for sure in the first few days if he was actually dead, and the family didn’t even release the info that he had jumped into a river for about 2 days after it happened because they were justifiably upset.

When my father died, he was dead before I heard about it. When my mother was dying, due to a lot of messed-up circumstances I was not there praying for her…and at that point I had never heard of the Divine Mercy chaplet. So even if I’d had it together to be there and praying for her, I could not have said the Divine Mercy.

Do you think Jesus would say to me, or anyone in one of the million circumstances above, that if we happened to pray this chaplet or any other prayer “late”, the prayer would not be “extra-powerful” for us, and the guy who happened to be at his loved one’s dying bedside got his loved one saved because the prayer was “extra-powerful” for him but my loved one got more severely judged or even went to Hell because for a whole variety of reasons, I didn’t pray it at the right moment?

Once again, this “extra-powerful” stuff is treating prayer like a magic charm, which is not the right outlook. Yes, it’s good to pray in the presence of the dying. Yes, it’s good to say the Divine Mercy prayer for someone who’s dying, or even someone who’s not dying or someone who’s already dead, but as the other person said, God can apply these prayers in the past if we need Him to, or apply them in the future if we need Him to. We’re not all St. Faustina who could tell when somebody was dying and pray for them right then, and God doesn’t expect that in order to make full use of our prayers.

P.S. We should also remember that the highest and greatest form of prayer to help any deceased soul is always to offer a Mass for them.
 
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MercyWarrior88 said:
the indulgence is the same
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First, do you understand that there are conditions for an indulgence? What is mentioned above is properly called a “plenary indulgence”. One must satisfy the obligations to receive that indulgence. In this case, it is the praying of the DMC along with the usual conditions (sacramental confession, Eucharistic communion and prayer for the intentions of Supreme Pontiff)

The Divine Mercy Indulgence document is available from the Vatican here:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/t.../rc_trib_appen_doc_20020629_decree-ii_en.html

Later the author says ": "the souls that will say this chaplet will be embraced by My mercy during their lifetime and ESPECIALLY at the hour of their death. " Mercy is available while we are alive and can accept that Mercy.

The DMC is a lovely, private devotion. It is not a magic “get out of hell free” incantation.
 
Thank you for your information. I appreciate it. I did mention on my post that one has to go to Confession and receive Holy Communion. I even mentioned that one has to perform works of mercy out of love for Jesus, a condition that Jesus posed so we could obtain His mercy.
 
billcu1 said:
The way I understand it, if someone dies and you say the divine mercy chaplet Jesus has promised he will allow them to enter in. Now if you say that for yourself too would that guarantee entry? Or are we the faithful required to enter in only by forgiveness via absolution. Now I am not saying not to go to absolution when one sins, but if something happened before you got a chance to confess would the divine mercy chaplet take care of you?

Also what about if you are meaning to go to absolution and something happens to you before hand. Then what?
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When you pray for others…you are also praying for yourself.
 
billcu1 said:
The way I understand it, if someone dies and you say the divine mercy chaplet Jesus has promised he will allow them to enter in. Now if you say that for yourself too would that guarantee entry? Or are we the faithful required to enter in only by forgiveness via absolution. Now I am not saying not to go to absolution when one sins, but if something happened before you got a chance to confess would the divine mercy chaplet take care of you?

Also what about if you are meaning to go to absolution and something happens to you before hand. Then what?
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When ever one hears or reads of these supposed guarantees; it is prudenty to understood that such claims ARE conditional; NOT some sort of magic elixar

Blessings
Patrick
 
MercyWarrior88 said:
However, there’s a requirement. Jesus said that “if a soul does not exercise mercy somehow or other, it will NOT obtain My mercy on the day of judgment.” Therefore, we are not only to receive the mercy of God, but to use it by being merciful to others. We are to practice the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy out of love for Jesus. Jesus said that “spiritual mercy is much more meritorious and is within the grasp of every soul.”
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I’ve been saying the Chaplet at least once a day since October, and maybe a question I have is will it help me, because my life is so tiny, and other than getting food and water (or Pepsi or tea) for my family, I haven’t really practised the corporal works of mercy. I do however pray anymore usually every day for family and friends to become closer to God, and i think that that is a Spiritual work of mercy.
 
TheLittleLady said:
First, do you understand that there are conditions for an indulgence? What is mentioned above is properly called a “plenary indulgence”. One must satisfy the obligations to receive that indulgence. In this case, it is the praying of the DMC along with the usual conditions (sacramental confession, Eucharistic communion and prayer for the intentions of Supreme Pontiff)

The Divine Mercy Indulgence document is available from the Vatican here:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/t.../rc_trib_appen_doc_20020629_decree-ii_en.html

Later the author says ": "the souls that will say this chaplet will be embraced by My mercy during their lifetime and ESPECIALLY at the hour of their death. " Mercy is available while we are alive and can accept that Mercy.

The DMC is a lovely, private devotion. It is not a magic “get out of hell free” incantation.
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I note that you cannot obtain “indulgences”, as the Church defines them, for living people other than yourself. If the person is not dead yet, you can’t earn an indulgence for them in advance of their death. This is explicitly stated in the Enchiridion of Indulgences.

I further note the Divine Mercy plenary indulgence, as shown by the Vatican document linked, is available for Divine Mercy Sunday, only.

That doesn’t mean your prayers, including the Divine Mercy, don’t help when you say them for someone who is still alive. They just don’t obtain an indulgence for the person, which specifically means, as used by the Church in its teaching on indulgences, a reduction in time or some other relief for a deceased soul in Purgatory. What they would do instead is send grace to the living person.
 
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Shalom, Vbwc. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to reply immediately. I had forgotten my password and experienced technical issues in the process of procuring a new one.

You said that you’ve been praying the chaplet since October, and I highly applaud you for that. You then asked the question: "will it help me? " Oh YES. Absolutely. I’ve been praying it for eight years, and through it, my countless prayers were answered. Jesus said to St. Faustina:

"Encourage souls to say the chaplet which I have given to you. It pleases Me to grant everything they ask of Me by saying the chaplet, if what they ask for is compatible with My will. "

I had read so many testimonies online attesting to the efficacy of the chaplet. Some prayed to meet their future partners in life, and their prayers were answered. Others prayed for improved finances and Jesus was gracious enough to grant their petitions. You should always remember to pray it with TRUST.

Jesus said: "The graces of My mercy are drawn by means of one vessel only, and that is—trust. The more a soul trusts, the more it will receive. Souls who trust boundlessly are a great comfort to Me, because I pour all the treasures of My graces into them. I rejoice that they ask for much, because it is My desire to give much, very much. "

Moreover, Jesus said that if you have boundless trust in His mercy, He himself will attend to your sanctification. He will give you all the graces you need to attain sanctity and therefore get closer to Him.

I agree with you, praying for loved ones to become closer to God is a spiritual work of mercy. I think it would be easy for you to practice the other spiritual works of mercy. The spiritual works of mercy include the teaching of the ignorant, correcting sinners, counseling those in doubt, consoling the sorrowful, bearing wrongs patiently, forgiving wrongs willingly, and praying for the living and the dead.

God bless, Vbwc.
 
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