Divine Mercy Sunday - Today!

[Mboo]

While one can or cannot believe in the private revelations to St. Faustina, there is nothing in her writings that contradicts the very ancient worship in the Church of the Divine Mercy. That worship is everywhere expressed, in its teachings, encyclicals, prayers, and the testimony of many saints. St. Faustina, you might say, just put a “stamp” on a matter already wholeheartedly embraced by the Church.

I’d be interested in learning exactly the part of St. Faustina’s revelations that mboo objects to.

When I listen to him, it seems to me that sometime, his mercy prone more the presumption, especially the fact that at the moment of death, Jesus would make great efforts to save all souls, and that there is only souls really hyper blinded who would refuse his utime help. But that’s not really what made me skeptical (it seems even encouraging is not it?) What made me really skeptical is that in the 50’s, the church after investigations had rejected its revelations as not being authentic. But it is retracted itself afterwards, all that is not very clear
All the same, the Rosary to Divine Mercy, at least the substance of this prayer, was in the past (before St. Faustina revelations), approved by many saints, and even by Jesus in other revelations, and finally in the apparitions of Fatima, angels addressed a prayer similar to God. So I do not reject all his revelations

 

[Gab123]

What made me really skeptical is that in the 50’s, the church after investigations had rejected its revelations as not being authentic.

The problem is that the devil will always cause confusion. But the Church has made a final statement on the issue including canonizing St. Faustina, so you should trust the Church. Do realize that In the 1920s Padre Pio was accused of being a fraud and even the local bishops did not believe in his mystical gifts, and spread the notion that it was a scam and that his Capuchin brothers were profiting financially from it.When Pius XI became pope in 1922 the Vatican became extremely doubtful about the whole matter and Padre Pio was subject to numerous investigations and was banned from hearing confessions and saying mass in public. The ban was lifted by Pius Pius XI a decade later and Pio is now a canonized saint. Here is a good article regarding the Initial ban on Faustina’s writings:
http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/faith-and-life/in-defense-of-the-divine-mercy-devotion/

 

[Mboo]

Thank you for the link. Reading it, I had the same impression as Msg Perez that the revelations of Saint Faustine promise a mercy without penance, this is what I said above when I speak of a mercy that incites the presumption .
It is true in this article that we have answered this objection, but it is not convincing in my opinion.
At first I had found his messages quite comforting, because of course the man is happy when he is told that he will have Heaven “for free”, and that it is enough to trust Jesus. “Jesus I trust you” (it’s a bit Lutheran that we must admit).
The true divine mercy in my opinion is to expect from God, graces to have true contrition and to make justs penances in order to deserve his pardon, or it is to expect from God graces to do meritorious works to be worthy of Heaven. And not to waiting for God, a forgiveness or glory even though no penance has been done, nor virtuous works worthy of Him

 

[Gab123]

Mboo, maybe you just don’t realize just how merciful God is, especially in these days where evil permeates culture. But realize that if you were an adult who was never baptized and then found Christ through true and sincere repentance, and got babtized, you would also have a clean slate. It is personal sins after baptism that lead to purgatory. But you also have to realize that the Church has always offered Plenary Indulgences, which removes all temporal punishment due to sin from those who sincerely repent and properly approach the Church for the Plenary Indulgence (Confession, Holy Communion, Detachment from Sin, Prayers for the Pope and his intentions, and trust in God’s Mercy). True Christian Faith is not about doing religious things, but rather in having TRUST in Jesus Christ and doing everything He commanded us to do, namely to love God and Neighbor as God Calls us to Love.

The devil is tricky; be very careful with putting your faith in poisonous websites or individuals who attack the Church; Jesus Founded His Church so you can trust in The Teachings of the Church.

 

[Mboo]

The teaching of the Church rightly says that God forgives the penitents, and gives Heaven to those who have done meritorious works. it is rather to speak of the mercy of God without recalling the demands of his justice which is misleading.
That is why, in all justice, we must hope for the mercy of God the grace to be penitent or the grace to do meritorious works, otherwise we are not in a logic of love towards God, but in a logic of profit. Indeed we speak of his mercy essentially in the sense that he will deliver us from the temporal and eternal penalties that we deserve. To render to him the love that he deserves to receive from us seems not to be our concern

 

[Gab123]

what are your thoughts on Plenary Indulgences? The Church has an official book on all the indulgences available to the faithful. Are you not aware of what a Plenary indulgence does? But it seems to me you are not familiar with what Devotion to the Divine Mercy is all about. If you read Faustina’s Diary, you would see that Jesus specifically said that we will receive mercy by being merciful: "I demand from you deeds of mercy, which are to arise out of love for Me. You are to show mercy to your neighbors always and everywhere.”

Mercy is greater than all your personal sacrifices. Thus Jesus said in Matt. 9:13. “But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

 

[Mboo]

what are your thoughts on Plenary Indulgences? The Church has an official book on all the indulgences available to the faithful. Are you not aware of what a Plenary indulgence does?

indulgences do not exempt us from the penances required to obtain the mercy of God. One should have every reason to hope for indulgences, for greater graces to satisfy the justice of God.
Once again you are in a logic of profit in relation to God and not in a logic of Love. We must seek how to give him the love he deserves to receive from you, and not to take advantage of his mercy only to to avoid us from what is right to do.

Mercy is greater than all your personal sacrifices. Thus Jesus said in Matt. 9:13. “But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

there is no greater love than to sacrifice one’s life for one’s friends. The greatest mercy of Christ were not his healings, his teachings, but his sacrifice on the cross.
Sacrifice is not opposed to mercy; on the contrary, it is the greatest mercy that can be done.
So when God says that he prefers mercy to sacrifice he speaks of ritual sacrifices, sacrifices made without cares of mercy.

 

[Gab123]

It seems to me that you have a problem with the authority of Church. As for Plenary Indulgences, the three requirements are clear, and their are no different than what is granted through the Devotion of the Divine Mercy. Yes, perform all the things the Plenary Indulgences require. So as you can see the Devotion to the Divine Mercy is just like another Plenary Indulgence. So be at peace about it. The devil is tricky…don’t listen to all the poison coming from the Sede Vacante groups and radical “traditionalists” who are easy prey for the devil, who uses them to spread misinformation, slander and division against the Church.

 

[Mboo]

And obviously it is rather you who seem to have a problem with the official teaching of the Church I quote the CCC:

2092 There are two kinds of presumption. Or, the man presumes of his abilities (hoping to be able to save himself without the help of above), or he presumes omnipotence or divine mercy (hoping to obtain his pardon without conversion and glory without merit).

Indulgences do not exempt us from what must be done to obtain God’s forgiveness and the glory in Heaven. The indulgences we facilitate them rather

 

[Gab123]

indulgences do not exempt us from the penances required to obtain the mercy of God.

The same thing with the Divine Mercy plenary indulgence offered on Divine Mercy Sunday.

The problem is that you are misinterpreting, misrepresenting presuming all the wrong ideas against the Devotion of the Divine Mercy, which was fully approved by the Church. You also seem to have a problem with some plenary indulgences and not others.

So the problem seems to be that you have lost faith in Church authority. But simply read the 12 Promises of the Sacred Heart, and all the wonderful blessings God bestows on all those who follow that beautiful devotion, which did not have official approval from the Church for centuries. Realize that the devotion to the Sacred Heart was also severely scrutinized and rejected by some clergymen and St Margaret Mary Alacoque was discouraged to follow the instruction she had received in her visions, and she became the subject of many controversies in the Church. Her own mission, all her actions, her revelations, her spiritual writings and teachings regarding the devotion to the Sacred Heart were subjected to severe examination until finally the Sacred Congregation of Rites approved it. The practice was not officially recognized until 75 years after the visions of the Sacred Heart. She had the visions in 1673, but wasn’t canonized until 1928.

It was Pope Pius XI in his 1928 encyclical Miserentissimus Redemptor, that the pope affirmed the Church’s position regarding the credibility of her visions of Jesus Christ by speaking of Jesus as having manifested Himself to Saint Margaret Mary and having promised her that all those who rendered this honor to His Heart would be endowed with an abundance of heavenly graces.

And then there are the First Saturday Devotion and the wonderful promises made at Fatima.

So a little more trust in Jesus and His Church and much less trust in silly websites and videos put out by individuals is in order…