Divine Office Obligatory Hours

[Nowhere_Man]

For Diocesan priests that use the 1962 Divine Office, are they obligated to pray all seven of the Canonical Hours, as was the custom at the time, or are they allowed to follow the newer practice of keeping the Major Hours and one of the Minor Hours (Sacrosanctum Concilium 89)?

 

[Skeptic92]

For Diocesan priests that use the 1962 Divine Office, are they obligated to pray all seven of the Canonical Hours, as was the custom at the time, or are they allowed to follow the newer practice of keeping the Major Hours and one of the Minor Hours (Sacrosanctum Concilium 89)?

They are obligated to follow the newer custom, however most traditional orders greatly encourage (only just short of making it an obligation) to pray all seven hours.

However only Compline is obliged to be prayed at a certain hour (just before bed) all the others can be prayed at any other hour of the day (some Bishops/Priests pray the whole office at Compline if they were to busy during the day)

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

They are obligated to follow the newer custom, however most traditional orders greatly encourage (only just short of making it an obligation) to pray all seven hours.

However only Compline is obliged to be prayed at a certain hour (just before bed) all the others can be prayed at any other hour of the day (some Bishops/Priests pray the whole office at Compline if they were to busy during the day)

Just a quick question, what is a “traditional order”?

 

[Skeptic92]

Just a quick question, what is a “traditional order”?

I am on about Orders (or societies) like the ICRSS, FSSP an some branches of the Franciscans, Dominicans and others, those that allow the recitation of the 1962 office (diocesan Priests are obliged to pray the current office, and rarely allowed to solely use the 1962 office (this is what my Priest has informed me)).

 

[Nowhere_Man]

I am on about Orders (or societies) like the ICRSS, FSSP an some branches of the Franciscans, Dominicans and others, those that allow the recitation of the 1962 office (diocesan Priests are obliged to pray the current office, and rarely allowed to solely use the 1962 office (this is what my Priest has informed me)).

“Clerics ordained “in sacris constitutis” may use the Roman Breviary promulgated by Bl. John XXIII in 1962.” (Summorum Pontificum Art. 9 Sec. 3)

 

[Skeptic92]

“Clerics ordained “in sacris constitutis” may use the Roman Breviary promulgated by Bl. John XXIII in 1962.” (Summorum Pontificum Art. 9 Sec. 3)

Then please forgive me, me and my Priest are both in error, it happens and mistakes are made .

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I am on about Orders (or societies) like the ICRSS, FSSP an some branches of the Franciscans, Dominicans and others, those that allow the recitation of the 1962 office (diocesan Priests are obliged to pray the current office, and rarely allowed to solely use the 1962 office (this is what my Priest has informed me)).

Ok, so you understand the difference between Orders and Societies of Apostolic Life.

Franciscans and Dominicans do not use the 1962 office.

It would also be more correct to say religious institutes that celebrate the EF rather than calling them “traditional” as doing so sort of implies that all of us religious who follow the Church and use the OF are “untraditional”.

 

[TrueLight]

Ok, so you understand the difference between Orders and Societies of Apostolic Life.

Franciscans and Dominicans do not use the 1962 office.

It would also be more correct to say religious institutes that celebrate the EF rather than calling them “traditional” as doing so sort of implies that all of us religious who follow the Church and use the OF are “untraditional”.

But would it be incorrect to state those who celebrate the “traditional liturgy of the Roman Rite?”. That’s what it is.

 

[Skeptic92]

Ok, so you understand the difference between Orders and Societies of Apostolic Life.

Franciscans and Dominicans do not use the 1962 office.

It would also be more correct to say religious institutes that celebrate the EF rather than calling them “traditional” as doing so sort of implies that all of us religious who follow the Church and use the OF are “untraditional”.

I know of some branches that do by their superior in that house, specifically a branch of the Franciscans of the Immaculate near me use the 1962 office and celebrate the EF of the Sacraments not just the Mass, same with some Dominican houses (the Benedictines are harder to judge, my local abbey uses the Monastic Office, while i know of some that use the 1962 office, and others that use the modern office).

I describe societies and orders like those that I said as traditional (small ‘t’) as they celebrate the traditional form of the Latin Rite Sacraments, so in short they are traditional societies/orders (lets not forget the label traditionalists is used to describe laymen & women that prefer the EF form of the Sacraments, that does not mean that those attached to the OF are anti-traditionalists or whatever other label could be employed).

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

But would it be incorrect to state those who celebrate the “traditional liturgy of the Roman Rite?”. That’s what it is.

I think that could be arguable as how can following what the Church lays out as the norm be untraditional?

I can see it from both sides.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I know of some branches that do by their superior in that house, specifically a branch of the Franciscans of the Immaculate near me use the 1962 office and celebrate the EF of the Sacraments not just the Mass, same with some Dominican houses (the Benedictines are harder to judge, my local abbey uses the Monastic Office, while i know of some that use the 1962 office, and others that use the modern office).

I describe societies and orders like those that I said as traditional (small ‘t’) as they celebrate the traditional form of the Latin Rite Sacraments, so in short they are traditional societies/orders (lets not forget the label traditionalists is used to describe laymen & women that prefer the EF form of the Sacraments, that does not mean that those attached to the OF are anti-traditionalists or whatever other label could be employed).

This description of yours only works when one buys into the definition of traditionalist that you list here.

I do not buy it.