Divinity of Christ and Islam

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Jesus refrained from calling himself the Son of God just as he refused
to perform great signs and wonders when his enemies challenged him to
prove that he was the Messiah. In the New Testament we first learn of
Christ’s divinity at the Annunciation, when the angel Gabriel appeared
to Mary and announced “the child to be born will be called the Son of the
Most High, the Son of God.” The angel Gabriel did not simply mean that
Jesus would be a man who is highly favoured by God as an adopted son.
For Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth, shared in the same knowledge of the Spirit and
exclaimed, “Who am I that the mother of my Lord (YHWH) should come to me?”
In a similar vein, after the birth of Christ, we first learn of our Lord’s divinity
by Peter’s profession of faith: “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
As with Elizabeth, this knowledge was not revealed to Peter by “flesh and
blood” but by God the Father through the Holy Spirit. Jesus preferred to
call himself the Son of Man and conceal his divinity so that his mission could
be accomplished. He identified himself in his divinity when he exercised the
prerogative of forgiving sins, for even Moses performed miracles because God
was with him. He left it for us to see in faith who he truly was. At the proper time,
for the completion of his mission, he explicitly told his accusers who he was at
his trial before the high priest: "I am. But I tell you from now on you will see
the ‘Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power’ and ‘coming
on the clouds of heaven.’ " Jesus was sentenced to death for blasphemy,
identifying himself with YHWH, just as Peter had confessed, Elizabeth had
exclaimed, and the angel Gabriel had announced to Mary. :rolleyes:
 
*You know the thought that Islam is violent or Allah” is violent could be said about Christianity… is this really necessary. Assomeonesaid, go meet some Moslems… they really are great people… it reminds me when 30 years ago we were made to be “frightened” of communists… and really the Russian people were just people… trying to get by… if people read this they think Christianity is violent… that God is violent… *

From Matthew

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned “with unquenchable fire.” 3:10, 12

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 7:19

“The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 8:12

Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: “Let the dead bury the dead.” 8:21

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

Cities that neither “receive” the disciples nor “hear” their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few “prophecies” in the Bible that has actually come true). “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” 10:21

Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and “able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” 10:28

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it’s better to be “maimed” than to suffer “everlasting fire.” 18:8-9

“And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.” 18:34

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn’t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and “cast him into the outer darkness” where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 22:12-13

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It’ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

God will come when people least expect him and then he’ll “cut them asunder.” And “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 24:50-51

The servant who kept and returned his master’s talent was cast into the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 25:30

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an “everlasting fire.” 25:41

Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
 
islam will be the end of the world.

maybe, then again maybe not 😉

Who knows what God has in store for us… 🙂
 
Hayfa said:
*You know the thought that Islam is violent or Allah” is violent could be said about Christianity… is this really necessary. Assomeonesaid, go meet some Moslems… they really are great people… it reminds me when 30 years ago we were made to be “frightened” of communists… and really the Russian people were just people… trying to get by… if people read this they think Christianity is violent… that God is violent… *

From Matthew

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned “with unquenchable fire.” 3:10, 12

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 7:19

“The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 8:12

Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: “Let the dead bury the dead.” 8:21

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

Cities that neither “receive” the disciples nor “hear” their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few “prophecies” in the Bible that has actually come true). “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.” 10:21

Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and “able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” 10:28

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it’s better to be “maimed” than to suffer “everlasting fire.” 18:8-9

“And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.” 18:34

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn’t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and “cast him into the outer darkness” where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 22:12-13

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It’ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

God will come when people least expect him and then he’ll “cut them asunder.” And “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 24:50-51

The servant who kept and returned his master’s talent was cast into the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 25:30

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an “everlasting fire.” 25:41

Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
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^ Thats supposedly one of your great ‘prophet’ talking.
 
Thats supposedly one of your great ‘prophet’ talking.

and your point being? That Jesus said that? So see how bad Jesus is??? Can you expand please… Thanks
 
Yes Jesus said that (assuming you got all of that from the Bible)

If an atheist came to you and said “How come one of your greatest prophet said that?”

How would you answer it? Say that’s not islam’s problem but Christian’s? Last time I checked your religion also venerates Jesus and his teachings

point: Why anti-Jesus when your religion venerates him? Rather you should cherish his teachings and find true answer to it
 
I just want to say I have many muslim friends myself and they are very nice.

I just believe there are many teachings in islam that commends its followers to do. I read in a muslim pamphlet that whatever country a muslim resides in, that country must be converted to muslim state (as already done in Egypt and other countries).

what I’m trying to say is muslims won’t be the end of the world but islam will be? :confused:
 
Hey,

Sorry I was not clear as to why I posted what I posted. I was just using them as as an example as to how it is easy to read the Bible and mis-use the language of it. That all religions face attacks. That was my reason for posting… was it happens to everyone. Moslems, Christians, Hindus etc.

For most Moslems they believe in the general message that Jesus brought, the message of God, angels etc. But Moslems are confused about which version they should use and which books as some Bibles contain some and others contain others.

I mean think about it, you go to the bookstore and you look at the Bibles and you think which one do I read? And if they are not all exactly the same, what happened to change it? so it leads to confusion.

if I am not clean let me know… sometimes typing and thinking is tough… lol
 
*I just want to say I have many muslim friends myself and they are very nice.

I just believe there are many teachings in islam that commends its followers to do. I read in a muslim pamphlet that whatever country a muslim resides in, that country must be converted to muslim state (as already done in Egypt and other countries). *

Hmmm I would have to read what you are reading but it is the same as Moslems fear that all Christianity wants to do is control them… people all over are afraid.

Ultimately I try to think of who is really profiting with all of this… someone is…
 
Hayfa, I have no dispute with Muslims; nor do I consider them violent
people because of the actions of a tiny minority of fanatical extremists.
But to be fair even to the adherents of Jihad, we must own that these “holy”
warriors are being true to their faith by acknowledging and responding
to the teachings of Mohammed. The majority of Muslims who renounce the
use of violence to propogate their faith are actually the ones who are being
untrue to their leader and prophet. The Koran explicitly proposes the use of
violence to spread the Islamic faith and defend it.

The Christian crusaders resorted to violence in defense of Jerusalem against
the Muslim invaders. And they themselves eventually became too aggressive by slaughter-
ing the Jews. But their engagements were not enjoined or sanctioned by the New
Testament. On the contrary, Jesus said to Peter, who came to his defense in the garden of
Gethsemane upon our Lord’s arrest: “Put down your sword. Those who live by the sword
shall perish by the sword.” For Jesus taught, “Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Do not return evil for evil.” Further, the Lord Jesus taught forgiveness, not revenge: “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, if anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer him the other one as well.” In the Lord’s Prayer we must first forgive our neighbour before we can expect to be forgiven by God.

But the Koran explicitly and literally teaches violence and revenge, a spiritual regression
from the teachings of Christ who is supposedly believed to be a true prophet from God by Muslims, although his words have been contradicted by Mohammed. “The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation is allowed in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury upon him according to the injury he has inflicted upon you and keep your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty.” [Surrah 2:194]
The faithful Sunnis and Shiites who have slaughtered each other these past centuries and now in Iraq have responded to this explicit injunction in the Koran. Many verses in the Koran literally
teach Muslims to fight and kill unbelievers and infidels."Therefore, when you meet the unbelievers smite at their necks; at length when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them. Thereafter is the time for either generosity or ransom; until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded. [Surahh 47:4] These passages are not to be taken figuratively or allegorically unlike the verses from the Gospel of Matthew which you have cited.

Indeed, Muslims are promised entrance into paradise if they suffer, have fought, or are killed
fighting for Allah. “Those who have left their homes, or been driven out there from, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain - Verily I will blot out from their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath - A reward from His Presence is the best rewards.” [Surahh 3:195] The suicide bombers of Islamic terrorist networks are highly motivated by the promise of this scriptural passage in the Koran.They correctly understand what is enjoined upon them and assured by the prophet.

The New Testament contains no command or injunction that espouses violence and promotes
hatred. On the contrary, Jesus commands us to love our neighbour and warns us that we
will be judged by our good and bad deeds to determine our eternal reward. Faith and Charity
are essential for our salvation. Concerning violent acts, Mohammed himself set a good
example for his blind followers, unlike Jesus. After facing defeat in a battle against the Meccans, Mohammed turned his attention once again towards the Jews, who were easier targets than the Meccans. He began killing the Jews and looting Jewish settlements in the peninsula.After one Jewish town had surrendered, 700 to 1000 men were beheaded in one day while the women and children were sold into slavery and the possessions of the town were
looted and stolen. This incident is supported by both Western and Muslim scholars. Contrast
the missionary activities of Mohammad and later the Saljuk and Ottoman Turks with those of
the Christian missionaries, who followed the peaceful teachings and examples of Christ.
 
Let me start out by saying that I am not a Muslim, and I am not an apologist for Islam. I am a Catholic. However, if you look at what such luminaries as Jack Chick says about Catholics, it might give you pause to think about what you think you know about Muslims.

I have lived in two Islamic countries: Morocco for 17 months and Iraq for 11 months. I also visited Kuwait and Qatar. All of this was courtesy of your tax dollars (military service). I have always been treated with the utmost respect and hospitality by Muslims. They love to discuss religion, but the vast majority of Muslims are quite tolerant.

There are Christian churches in Morocco and Iraq. I am not speaking about such nations as Saudi Arabia and Iran. These two nations are not typical of Islamic countries.

My question is, why do we accuse Muslims of intolerance toward us because of what we are told? I am not an Islamic scholar. I am relating my own personal experiences with Muslims. Why do some Catholics treat these people as if they were our enemies? Obvioiusly, the terrorist groups are, in fact, our enemies. They are also the enemies of most of the Muslims. It is the Muslims who are the primary victims of the terrorists.

Why can’t we just treat Muslims the way we would like to be treated?

ابو كمون
 
Which Church…Melkite I’m guessing since you know Arabic? (I’m probably totally wrong)
 
Byzantine Catholic. My limited knowledge of Arabic is from living 17 months in Morocco and 11 months in Iraq.

ابو كمون
 
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