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StHilarious
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Christians belief that Jesus, both God and man, died for their sins and that they are righteous in the eyes of God. Mohammed makes it very clear in his book that Jesus was not God and did not die.
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visavismeyou
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are you reading someone else’s post then replying to mine???
- Muhammed did not write the qur’an…
- What is your point?\
- oh and how does what you have been saying have anything to do with the original subject? if it doenst, then make a new post kthx
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WynCatholic
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Welcome to the Catholic forum.
Nice to see that all your shoulder chips are as delicate as ever.
Not totally from Satan, but because of pride, having a common purpose: to destroy God’s work.
14 But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it,
Note the heirarchical nature of the message’s authority : see also verses 1-12 where the nature of those who oppose God is revealed
15 and that from infancy you have known (the) sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work. Notice the good work: It includes the fruit of the Holy Spirit lived out in the life.
May the peace that only comes through Jesus draw you ever closer to Him, so that you will see that the infinite personal God of the Universe, who delights in all of His creation - bound as it is - will draw you to see that the only sure means of grace to live that life (verse 17) is through the sure means he has given: the church of the apostles and scriptures.
Yeah, it freaked me out too.
Nice to see that all your shoulder chips are as delicate as ever.13 But wicked people and charlatans will go from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived.
Not totally from Satan, but because of pride, having a common purpose: to destroy God’s work.
14 But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it,
Note the heirarchical nature of the message’s authority : see also verses 1-12 where the nature of those who oppose God is revealed
15 and that from infancy you have known (the) sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work. Notice the good work: It includes the fruit of the Holy Spirit lived out in the life.
I also do not find my trust in Jesus to be heretical, but I find empty accusations offensive.
May the peace that only comes through Jesus draw you ever closer to Him, so that you will see that the infinite personal God of the Universe, who delights in all of His creation - bound as it is - will draw you to see that the only sure means of grace to live that life (verse 17) is through the sure means he has given: the church of the apostles and scriptures.
Yeah, it freaked me out too.
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Montalban
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There is no ‘god’ in Islam but Satan. Evil can’t be reconciled with Jesus
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StHilarious
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I agree.
According to the RCC both Catholics and Muslims worship the same God.
Conduct Rule 7:
Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.
I respect your rules and I have made my point.
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Damascus
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st Hilarious,
I will pray for you. You made no point at all. If you did I missed it.
You are not wrong in the sense that you do not understand the CCC or even try to. For that I am sorry - for your sake. Do not take this personally, I feel that you really ought to at minimum buy a copy, or read it online and then get a better understanding…
The compemdium is online too, and might be the better way to start since the CCC can be a bit hard to navigate — try it out.
I wish I had the link but I am up late and am too tierd to look now-
Google Holy See and you can get it-
Prayers -
You are fighting the brother you “know”-
it is a serious thing really -
PM me tomorrow afternoon
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Montalban
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Except I’m not Catholic, so they’re not ‘my’ rules. :tiphat:
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Montalban
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Which is the same God.
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thistle
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Different time zone here in Asia so can only respond now.
Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham. God is a loving God and does not promote violence. The Catholic Church does not say that. You have not yet cited a source for your claim that the Catholic Church states the Muslim God is a violent God. I ask again. Where is your source for your claim or are you just blowing hot air?
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WynCatholic
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correction: you observed the rule and made your point.
I pray that you will not continue to reject God’s mercy.
And, FYI: Catholics worship the God of the Bible: the one and only triune God, creator of the universe, of all that is seen and unseen. The God who is Good, Holy, Merciful, the Giver of Life, and Fount of Love. Consider again our Lord’s words in Matthew 12:24-37 and how they might apply to you.
May God bless you, hilarious
Wayne
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Montalban
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The Muslim god is a violent god based on the evidence of the Koran and Hadith.
Check out this lecture at
answering-islam.org/Terrorism/peace-loving.html
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thistle
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I believe that Islam is a violent religion and that the Koran advocates violence but that doesn’t mean the God of Abraham is a violent God. It is the muslim people who are violent based on what they are taught and what they read in the Koran.
I note that StHilarious has obviously run away because he cannot back up his claim about the Catholic Church as he twice could not cite a source.
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Montalban
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John of Damascus from the church of the East, the earliest Christian witness to a still infant Islam, writing in the early 700s:
- There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist. They are descended from Ishmael, was was born to Abraham of Agar, and for this reason they are called both Agarenes and Ishmaelites. They are also called Saracens, which is derived from Sarra Kenoi, or destitute of Sara, because of what Agar said to the angel: “Sara hath sent me away destitute.”1 These used to be idolaters and worshipped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabir (Khabar?), which means great.”2 And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk,3 devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.
Fountain of Knowledge,
Book II “On Heresies”
John of Damscus
trueorthodoxy.org/non_christian_islam_stjohndamascus_fountain_knowledge.shtml
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Montalban
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That’s the very point!
God of Abraham = love
god of Islam = hate
therefore
God of Abraham is not the god of Islam
therefore we do not worship the same God.
I’m not here to defend him. I note that he called your rules to my attention to no avail, given that I’m Orthodox, not Catholic… post above where he said
to which I replied…
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Montalban
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There’s an exhaustive, and therefore exhausting work called “The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims” by Andrew G Bostom in which the good doctor shows quotes from all of the major schools of thought in Islam; that they support Jihad* expressed as violence. Even the Sufi movement does so. This book however does not make for good reading; serving more as a source-book, rather than a narrative.
Another greatly detailed work “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude: Seventh-Twentieth Century” by Bat Y’eor.
“Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions about the World’s Fastest-Growing Faith” by Robert Spencer is more straight forward and (I must confess) therefore the only one of these three that I’ve read cover-to-cover.
Other books I’ve got on the subject** are
“Inside the Kingdom: My Life in Saudi Arabia” Carmen Bin Ladin
“Answering Islam: The Crescent in Light of the Cross” by Norman L. Geisler & Abdul Saleeb
“Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out” by Ibn Warraq
“Why I’m not a Muslim” by Ibn Warraq***
*Jihad -the apologists will point out it means ‘struggle’ and not ‘war’. However this statement only serves to distract from the fullness of the truth which is that Jihad can and is expressed through ‘war’.
**-my own personal interest stems from when I left Catholicism I almost became a Moslem (before Orthodoxy roped me in)
***-Ibn Warraq is an atheist so some of his arguments are aimed at ideas about which other religious people hold dear… such as a ‘mystical’ creation.
Another greatly detailed work “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude: Seventh-Twentieth Century” by Bat Y’eor.
“Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions about the World’s Fastest-Growing Faith” by Robert Spencer is more straight forward and (I must confess) therefore the only one of these three that I’ve read cover-to-cover.
Other books I’ve got on the subject** are
“Inside the Kingdom: My Life in Saudi Arabia” Carmen Bin Ladin
“Answering Islam: The Crescent in Light of the Cross” by Norman L. Geisler & Abdul Saleeb
“Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out” by Ibn Warraq
“Why I’m not a Muslim” by Ibn Warraq***
*Jihad -the apologists will point out it means ‘struggle’ and not ‘war’. However this statement only serves to distract from the fullness of the truth which is that Jihad can and is expressed through ‘war’.
**-my own personal interest stems from when I left Catholicism I almost became a Moslem (before Orthodoxy roped me in)
***-Ibn Warraq is an atheist so some of his arguments are aimed at ideas about which other religious people hold dear… such as a ‘mystical’ creation.
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kevathaide01
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I don’t think there is a ‘Muslim god’. All that seems to be the matter is that the Koran has misrepresented the Almighty and all that’s different is their description of the same God of the Jews.
That makes sense to me, since the Koran, however it began, ended up as the work of men in search of power and glory, not entirely God.
That makes sense to me, since the Koran, however it began, ended up as the work of men in search of power and glory, not entirely God.
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sara888
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Jesus is the only begotten son of God, he died and was risen from the dead, their are many witnesses and eye testimonies to this fact.
No other man called himself the son of God and died for man-kind.
There were many prophets, along with false prophets however there is only one son of God, which is Jesus Christ…
Jan**
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MH84
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Could someone address some of the “points” raised in the article from the OP. They are scary to be honest.
How do we explain this, thanks
[28] When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.
How do we explain this, thanks
[28] When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.
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Axion
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Here is one of many sites that tell us a little about the Koran and how much we can rely on it for theological and moral guidance.
jihadwatch.org/islam101/
jihadwatch.org/islam101/
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abu_kamoon
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For all of you people who have bad opinions of Muslims, how many Muslims do you know? Where do you get your information?
I have lived in a couple of Islamic countries (Morocco and Iraq) and visited Kuwait and Qatar. Contrary to what you hear in the propaganda that passes for news, most Muslims are very friendly to Christians. They are peaceful people, not the violent, terrorists that TV tells you about.
Anyone on with any common sense on this site can see the way Catholic priests are portrayed on TV. Look at the way people who oppose abortion or homosexuality are portrayed on TV.
I am not a Muslim, nor an apologist for Islam, but I am tired of hearing people who don’t know what they are talking about, insult my friends. I have had a lot of Muslims friends over the years. I obviously disagree with their theology, but I respect them. Stop believing everything that you hear!
ابو كمون
I have lived in a couple of Islamic countries (Morocco and Iraq) and visited Kuwait and Qatar. Contrary to what you hear in the propaganda that passes for news, most Muslims are very friendly to Christians. They are peaceful people, not the violent, terrorists that TV tells you about.
Anyone on with any common sense on this site can see the way Catholic priests are portrayed on TV. Look at the way people who oppose abortion or homosexuality are portrayed on TV.
I am not a Muslim, nor an apologist for Islam, but I am tired of hearing people who don’t know what they are talking about, insult my friends. I have had a lot of Muslims friends over the years. I obviously disagree with their theology, but I respect them. Stop believing everything that you hear!
ابو كمون
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