Divorce beliefs in Orthodox Church

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Not sure if this has been questioned elsewhere: I understand that in the Orthodox Code of Canon Law that a person is allowed to be divorced and remarried three times. I was curious if anyone knows the origin and basis of this teaching? I thought I heard an explaination of this at one time but I can’t recall the answer nor can I locate it.

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I am not 100% sure but I think I saw a thread on this a while back. It is a total of 3 marriages. BUT, the marriage must be declared null and void by a tribunal first for an ecclisiastical divorce to be granted. what occurs is the ruling that the sacrament of marriage is no longer present in the marriage. and then a second marriage may occur. and same process for a third. they do not permit more then 3 with out the approval from a Bishop. I don’t really know why though.
 
Disclaimer: I’m not Greek Orthodox. I’ve heard the same, total of 3 marriages, and that includes spouses who die. It’s my understanding that they don’t have quite the same thought on til death do us part (as in they see a more eternal bond). It’s also my understanding that there are some penitential references that can happen in subsequent marriage ceremonies, but I’m not 100% sure about that and I don’t know if they’re required. Divorce is considered a serious and undesirable situation. I have the impression it’s allowed as a kind of concession (probably not quite the right word) to human failings. I’m sure there is more to the theology.
 
First off, the closest thing we have to a “Code of Canon Law” is the Rudder, that is the 85 canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils.

We have no concept of “Nullifying” marriages. While in modern times couples will have to seek a secular divorce, this is to make them legally eligable to marry in the eyes of the state. The Church itself recognises no divorce.

It is correct that the second and third wedding have a penatential quality, additionally when a marriage breaks down the two people involved will likely have to make a penance, as much for the harm their breakup can inflict on the parish community as for their breaking of a sacred bond.

Further while getting a first marriage is pretty easy as long as some base requirements are met, the second and third marriage needs to be approved by the bishop, he needs to be convinced that the marriage will succeed (obviously the existence of third marriages means this doesn’t always work).

I end this with a disclaimer, I only share this information to the best of my knowledge, as I have interpreted what I have been taught, I’ve never specifically studied this area myself so other sources which contradict me are probably right (assuming they’re Orthodox).

Edit: I believe this particular way of doing things is based on Holy Tradition and not a written law.
 
Not sure if this has been questioned elsewhere: I understand that in the Orthodox Code of Canon Law that a person is allowed to be divorced and remarried three times.
This is incorrect. The Orthodox Church may permit a person to marry up to three times, at the discretion of the bishop.
If a marriage fails and ends in divorce, a man or a woman may be permitted to remarry, depending on the circumstances, however if the subsequent marriage also fails a third marriage would not be permitted. The circumstances in which a third marriage might be allowed is if the spouse in the 2nd marriage dies, however this is by no means a given.

John
 
Thanks for the responses. I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut. I did locate a previous question I had asked about it a while back, I just couldn’t remember where it was. I knew there was a distinction between the Orthodox and the what is practiced by the Catholic Church.
 
The circumstances in which a third marriage might be allowed is if the spouse in the 2nd marriage dies, however this is by no means a given.
John
A friend was married while in active alcoholism. His first wife divorced him. When he was in recovery and sober for six or seven years, he approached our priest and said he wanted to get married again. Our priest took the circumstances to the Bishop and once the bishop had spoken to Rob and Rob’s AA sponsor, he approved the remarriage.

The ceremony of a remarriage is substantially different from a marriage ceremony, the couple acknowledging that they have made mistakes, and they come to the ceremony as penitents.
 
Why would they allow a person to remarry up to three times? This obviously goes against Christ’s wishes in Scripture about divorce and remarriage for only cases of porneia, right? Jesus makes it quite clear that divorce is practically never an option…I can only imagine the Lord saying, “but you get three shots anyway…???” And the Orthodox say Catholics cook up innovative strangeness?
This is incorrect. The Orthodox Church may permit a person to marry up to three times, at the discretion of the bishop.
If a marriage fails and ends in divorce, a man or a woman may be permitted to remarry, depending on the circumstances, however if the subsequent marriage also fails a third marriage would not be permitted. The circumstances in which a third marriage might be allowed is if the spouse in the 2nd marriage dies, however this is by no means a given.

John
 
Why would they allow a person to remarry up to three times? This obviously goes against Christ’s wishes in Scripture about divorce and remarriage for only cases of porneia, right? Jesus makes it quite clear that divorce is practically never an option…I can only imagine the Lord saying, “but you get three shots anyway…???” And the Orthodox say Catholics cook up innovative strangeness?
Jesus makes it clear that divorce is wrong. He also makes it clear that it was in the Law due to the weakness of the people.

Additionally one doesn’t “get three shots”, anymore than Catholics get their “two shots”. The only difference is we don’t kid ourselves and try to find legal loopholes to say the marriage wasn’t real in the first place.
 
No, you’re right, no legal loopholes, you just invent a three-strikes rule that never existed…and yet Orthodoxy is supposed to be free of innovation, completely loyal to the deposit of faith and the councils, pure…three divorces and birth control…not part of the deposit I’ve read…but I digress…
Jesus makes it clear that divorce is wrong. He also makes it clear that it was in the Law due to the weakness of the people.

Additionally one doesn’t “get three shots”, anymore than Catholics get their “two shots”. The only difference is we don’t kid ourselves and try to find legal loopholes to say the marriage wasn’t real in the first place.
 
No, you’re right, no legal loopholes, you just invent a three-strikes rule that never existed…and yet Orthodoxy is supposed to be free of innovation, completely loyal to the deposit of faith and the councils, pure…three divorces and birth control…not part of the deposit I’ve read…but I digress…
We don’t innovate on doctrine. Divorce isn’t doctrine.
 
Now you’re using the same verbal maneuvering you guys climb on Catholics for supposedly using. Divorce, semantics, call it what you will, is explicitely forbidden by Christ except in extreme situations of porneia. It’s forbidden. Orthodoxy accepts not only one sin, but three of them with a get out of jail free card style approach. And in the middle of those divorces and remarriages you can contracept, another idea condemned for 2,000 years by the universal church. Innovations indeed. Sins indeed.
We don’t innovate on doctrine. Divorce isn’t doctrine.
 
Now you’re using the same verbal maneuvering you guys climb on Catholics for supposedly using. Divorce, semantics, call it what you will, is explicitely forbidden by Christ except in extreme situations of porneia. It’s forbidden. Orthodoxy accepts not only one sin, but three of them with a get out of jail free card style approach. And in the middle of those divorces and remarriages you can contracept, another idea condemned for 2,000 years by the universal church. Innovations indeed. Sins indeed.
Yep, I guess that’s the difference between us. The Orthodox Church accepts that we are all sinners and we all fall down, and it offers us a means of getting back up. In the Catholic Church, if you don’t get it right on the first try, I guess you’re just damned to hell, unless you can find a loophole.
 
So you’re saying “falling down” in not getting along with your spouse with whom you were joined by God, the Orthodox are the kind ones in ignoring Christ’s admonitions and teachings, and disolving it even though they don’t have the power to do such a thing, that’s a means of getting up? It’s condoning sin and in fact, worse, it allows one to blatantly live in sin and do so two more times! You’re right, a person who knowingly remarries, lives yeas and years having relations with a ‘spouse’ when that person is still truly married to the first woman, then he dumps the next woman and marries a third time, now he’s with spouse number three and is still truly married to the first, you consider that helping out the guy? You think that’s benevolent and helping the man to grow in faith and sin less? Not only is the guy probably damned to hell but the presbyter or bishop who encouraged and fostered this abomination. It’s just sickening to think that anyone considering themselves of the one true holy catholic apostolic church condoning this stuff and trying to paint the Catholic Church as cruel and loopholed for not wanting to facilitate sin. And the absurdity in this is that Christ Himself openly, blatantly, explicitly forbade this. You’re looking right at Him and saying, “yeah, well…” If you’re this cavalier about remarriage not just once but twice, what’s to say that’s any worse than gay marriage? Both are equally sinful. Do you really think that three marriages constitutes “falling down?” 🤷
Yep, I guess that’s the difference between us. The Orthodox Church accepts that we are all sinners and we all fall down, and it offers us a means of getting back up. In the Catholic Church, if you don’t get it right on the first try, I guess you’re just damned to hell, unless you can find a loophole.
 
At least we know we are married in the Orthodox Church.

A Catholic couple could live together for years thinking they were married, even have some children together, only to find that they had not actually been married at all. Then they might be or not be married to someone else for a while until it is determined they weren’t married after all.

How do you guys cope with not knowing for sure whether you are married?
 
Yep, I guess that’s the difference between us. The Orthodox Church accepts that we are all sinners and we all fall down, and it offers us a means of getting back up. In the Catholic Church, if you don’t get it right on the first try, I guess you’re just damned to hell, unless you can find a loophole.
Yes. There is no “three marriage rule”. If after counseling with your parish priest and/or spritual father, the marriage cannot be saved, the couple will end the union. If one of the parties wants to remarry in the Holy Orthodox Church, the bishop must approve-- and ceremony is penetential. The possibility of a third marriage would exist if one of the spouses died. The Holy Orthodox Church is wise, loving, compassionate and merciful. She deals with the spiritual healing of sinners.

We do not retroactively imagine that the sacrament of marriage never ocurred by legalistic annulment.😦
 
A Catholic couple could live together for years thinking they were married, even have some children together, only to find that they had not actually been married at all.
Hmmm? This is an interesting point. What becomes of the children of marriage that never existed in the first place? :confused:
 
At least we know we are married in the Orthodox Church.
How do you Catholics cope with not knowing for sure whether you are married?
This is such odd thing, Prodromos.

Orthodox church uses power called “binding and loosing” to loose (meaning to release from) people from such marriage that is intolerable. This was power Our Lord gave to His apostls and to all bishops. Catolics only seem interested in this power to support their belief in papal power to bind everyone with Vatican rules in Latin,

Orthodox Church uses this power as Christ would intend. Understanding that we are sinners, Orthodx bishop does some binding, but more loosing from unbearable burdens.
 
So you’re saying “falling down” in not getting along with your spouse with whom you were joined by God,
Yes, that would be falling down.
the Orthodox are the kind ones in ignoring Christ’s admonitions and teachings,
Perhaps you should read why Christ says divorce existed in the first place.
and disolving it even though they don’t have the power to do such a thing,
Disolving?
that’s a means of getting up?
No, repenting of ones sins means getting up.
It’s condoning sin and in fact, worse, it allows one to blatantly live in sin and do so two more times!
Whereas an annulment is recognision that you were living in sin in the first place. It seems that the majority of annulment cases I hear about are ones that go through, you can probably safetly extrapolate that and say that under Roman law most Catholic couples are living in sin.
You’re right, a person who knowingly remarries, lives yeas and years having relations with a ‘spouse’ when that person is still truly married to the first woman, then he dumps the next woman and marries a third time, now he’s with spouse number three and is still truly married to the first, you consider that helping out the guy?
If three marriages were allowed no questions asked, you might have a point.
You think that’s benevolent and helping the man to grow in faith and sin less?
Christ said that one of the greatest sins is leading another to sin. Leaving two people in a loveless marriage with no way out so that they despise each other, they cheat on each other, they abuse each other, is that benevolent and helping man to grow in faith and sin less?
Not only is the guy probably damned to hell but the presbyter or bishop who encouraged and fostered this abomination.
Did Christ not say “Judge not lest you be judged?” So why do you damn these men to hell? Are you God? Where was St. Peter given the right to damn man to hell?
It’s just sickening to think that anyone considering themselves of the one true holy catholic apostolic church condoning this stuff and trying to paint the Catholic Church as cruel and loopholed for not wanting to facilitate sin.
And yet you do. How many times I read the Q&A section of this site and hear about someone who is leaving the Church because they are no longer able to receive the eucharist (essentially excommunicating them) for a mistake they made when they were young. Indeed, you speak so highly of an organization which once openly engaged in Simony at its highest levels, and which today commonly does at funerals the very act which it once decread to be desecration of bodies (cremation).
And the absurdity in this is that Christ Himself openly, blatantly, explicitly forbade this.
Christ forbade a lot of things, we call those things which he forbade, but which we still do “Sin”, as he said the the pharisees, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If you have never sinned than I welcome your righteous judgement on us.
You’re looking right at Him and saying, “yeah, well…” If you’re this cavalier about remarriage not just once but twice, what’s to say that’s any worse than gay marriage?
Perhaps you should be asking this of your own Bishops who permit those second marriages.
Both are equally sinful. Do you really think that three marriages constitutes “falling down?” 🤷
There are sins I have committed far more than three times, and I pray to God he will have mercy on me, and see my desire to be close to him.
 
Hmmm? This is an interesting point. What becomes of the children of marriage that never existed in the first place? :confused:
The same thing that becomes of any children of divorce. They are devastated at the destruction of their family and are forced to pick up the pieces left by their parents’ sin.
 
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